Something just isn't there


I'm hoping some of you with experience can help me evaluate my system. It is, of course, hard to put words on sonic character but sometimes it just isn't there. My system is quite detailed and can have a very nice soundstage but rarely does it grab me. 

The system:Magnum Dynalab MD209 hybrid tube/SS amp,
Manley Chinook tube phono preamp,
Oracle Alexandria factory refurbished,
Oracle Prelude tonearm
Ortophon MC 20 super cart
Joseph Audio RM22si speakers
Audioquest Caldera speaker wire. 

As I have been upgrading the system, I'm left thinking that either speakers or room treatment need attention next.
My room is approximately 12x25with hardwood floor, hard surfaces including art and wooden furniture, two big sofas, and several doorways and windows.   My wife won't take kindly to funky acoustic treatments.Of course the speakers and cartridge are just plain old.  I find auditioning speakers daunting and worry that the showroom experience will not be representative of my home and my electronics. 
Any thoughts would be appreciated. 
Kevin


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Thanks to all. 
Listening to Billy Holiday Body and Soul right up close. It's really detailed and nice but not spine tingling.  
The sound seem overwhelmed with full orchestration. Best with simpler instrumentation. Maybe separation of the various voices is lacking.  It can get a bit muddy or even screechy to me, subtle. 
I agree withe frequency extension comment. I added a sub and do enjoy it more. I'm not sure lower midrange is fully pronounced. Finally my own high frequency loss could be an issue. 
Kevin
Thank you to everyone for these ideas. 

Specifically to Ghosthouse. I've had the speakers for about 18 years.  Last year wIth my son's new interest in vinyl (age 20-a late bloomer), I decided to upgrade electronics, get my turntable spinning, and pay attention. After spending more than 6k I was hoping for more presence and wow.  

Certainly, I have a lively room and I wouldn't call the sound boring. Rather it is lacking in full cohesion.  The amp is very dynamic and seems to have vats of reserve power.  I've never heard a bit of amp fatigue.  A plug for Magnum Dynalab, the tuner is also incredible.  ICs are Audioquest Diamondback for the phono. 

Typically the speakers live 18 inches out. Just now, 40 inches from the wall has made a huge difference but still with full orchestra ( Beethoven 3rd) it blares a bit. Seems like my room may be talking to me....as Erik suggests I seem to be getting more direct and less reflected sound with the speakers out.

As for the sub, it is certainly a muddy mess. Paradigm. Brought up from the basement low end "theater" system.  I keep it turned down. Fortunately my floors are solid old oak but that doesn't mean they aren't resonating.

I will look into acoustic panels that can appear when the boys and the bourbon come out.

Auxinput,
Stock AC cords. Don't think I'm ready to go there.... ;)
I did put in a dedicated circuit for it though. Stock Home Depot stuff. Cheap!

All great posts!  Thank you all for bearing with me.

I will try the tweaks, lower crossover and VTA.  The TT was just set up by Jacques at Oracle so it should be quite right.

I need to reduce reflective surfaces with corner traps and tapestry wall hangings and use area rugs to balance the large ceiling area.  The floor itself is super rigid and solid in a 100yr old house; no flex, give, or squeak. 

Larryi is right.  I do tend to turn it up, trying to capture a presence or visceral connection with the sound. 

I'm guessing that lush indicates more pronounced middle frequencies, warmer sound.  My sound is detailed but still musical, not harsh or analytical.  Perhaps an element of lushness is needed.  Wlutke, I like the idea of IC and tube upgrades as part of the overall plan.

This is a great thread.

It has really helped me listen to and think about the sound.  Interesting about the visceral physical part of the experience.  I suppose this has to do with focused energy, even at low volume levels.  I could imagine when dissipated or conflicted the energy pattern will be heard and felt as weaker.  I feel like this part is missing for me.

Ok, I looked at the SR HFT. Small metal pieces with a concave conical shape.   I gotta admit that seems a stretch, but of course I haven't experienced them myself. 

Over the holidays, Ill be playing with a lot of the ideas above:  speaker placement, taming the room, tube dampers, fuse replacement, new isolating feet for the phono preamp.  I may even begin to look at the daunting issue of ICs and power cords. 

Jafant, cables are 20+ yrs old.
Biwired audioquest caldera. 
Aiudioquest diamondback ICs.