The fact that you're getting no response from Admin to your problem speaks volumes.
Some time ago, when another fuse thread was getting out of hand due to the usual suspects, I contacted SR about it, informing them of the undue bashing their products were getting and how nothing was being done about it.
I didn't expect a response but the one I got was they were aware of it and that it was a long standing problem they had with A'gon. I also pointed out on another thread that SR drives a lot of business to this site and why would Admin allow such treatment.
I have no dog in this fight as I don't own any SR products so I can't be labeled a "shill" as the usual suspect is wont to accuse. He's gone to Herculean lengths to conflate anything to do with SR, fuses and any product he doesn't approve of as shilling, dangerous, unethical, etc. and cries to the mods about it, most likely wearing them down.
He's the audio albatross around our necks and Admin seems to be fine with it.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Are you saying he might have been a ringer? Someone with the chops to take us on, on this site, as we've yet to be defeated?
If so, someone should tell them we're all a bunch of heretics, science be damned, and their charms, their wit, their animosity, and their vast catalogue of knowledge has no chance with the likes of us. 👍
All the best,
Nonoise |
By the time "he" got to his point by point attack against Paul of PS Audio, it got kinda nasty and personal. That, and there was a lot of assuming and reading between lines that didn't exist. There was an air of desperateness about it as composed.
Like grannyring said, he was a smart guy but.....
All the best,
Nonoise
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Pics of fast and slow blo fuses that have seen too many turn on cycles over a couple of years.
https://ibb.co/PzWvzwr (left to right over time aging)
https://ibb.co/17Tvy6t (right to left over time aging) It has to be O.C.D. Nothing else can explain it. |
So, is it only fuses that I should worry and doubt myself about when it comes to hearing what I hear?
Refined by over a quarter million years of evolution, the ears I inherited work just fine and have yet to deceive me. I've never been confronted by anyone about anything else I've heard, save, for cables.
Funny how it's only audio related things that gets peoples hackles up.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Ever notice how arguments against fuses are all over the map? On one hand, fuses cannot impart a sound characteristic so aftermarket fuses can’t as well. But microscopic traces of dirt or it’s position in fuse holder (that can only hold it one way, consistently) can affect the sound.
There’s the argument that if a fuse can make a difference, then there’s something really wrong with the design of the amp. Then they go as far as to say that what’s upstream, after the fuse, is drawing too much current and it’s not something wrong with the amp but something normally occurring and the design calls for the hastened demise of the fuse. Who would design a piece of gear to do that?
Any modern, properly designed piece of gear should never do that. There are amps out there that are going on decades in age that have the same fuse in them. The bad and poorly designed ones blow through fuses and should be avoided.
For those who have those badly designed amps, have you noticed a change in sound as the fuses wear down, and right before they blow? As often as you change those fuses, you should be familiar with the timing.
Just curious.
It’s starting to sound like I’ll use whatever argument I can conjure, backed with my expertise in other, related matters, to shade my argument and, like one particular person, I’ll add in my boring slide show that comes with everything I post about fuses, leading one to surmise that some form of O.C.D. is at work.
All the best,
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This has been asked on other threads and some manufacturers were mentioned on their using aftermarket fuses. One that comes to mind is Wyred4Sound.
It wasn't a standard thing for them to do but when I inquired about them doing it, they said they were fine doing it as they believed it stretched the improvement about 5% or so.
However, these threads all boil down to tawdry entertainment seeing as how they've been hashed to death here. If anyone has any doubts as to the efficacy of fuses, they need not spend a lot of money. It's been pointed out that simply replacing a cheap, bog standard fuse with an aftermarket fuse will change the sound. For a small investment, just swap one out and hear it for yourself. Until then, tawdry it is.
If you haven't tried it, you don't have a leg to stand on.
All the best,
Nonoise
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It's deja vu all over again.
-Yogi Bera
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@roberttcan,
Actually, most, if not all of your mentions were brought up in older threads as to why it could explain the efficacy of aftermarket fuses, but they were all shot down as worthless, meaningless, or just silly.
A lot of these aftermarket fuses are based on high rupturing fuses which are made for medical, military, and other high end uses that have been around for many a year.
All it took was some enterprising chaps to apply it to audiophile needs and jack up the price. That's not to say they don't perform better. But they do impact the resultant sound.
Padis fuses go to great lengths to ensure that the end caps are positioned to ensure an even roll on a table, ensuring better and fuller contact with the fuse holder. They even go a step further by omitting any engraving on the sides of the end caps and print the values on the fuse body, ensuring an even fuller and more consistent contact surface. They use better and purer metals as well and cost about $25 apiece, which goes to show that one needs not spend a fortune.
I'll admit that these fuses are overpriced, but what isn't? It's all about what one's willing to pay. I've tried 4-5 different brands and they all sound different and I don't need for anyone to quiz and test me as I've made it this far in life without resorting to fanatical lengths to make sure I'm hearing what I'me hearing. 👍
All the best,
Nonoise
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If one were to go through all these fuse threads, they'd espy a glaringly overlooked matter. The naysayers say a fuse has no effect on the sound of an amp and that it's just there for safety reasons.
They also say that the sound differences heard can be attributed to some microscopic piece of dirt and that simply removing and reinserting the fuse will result in different surface contact and that that is the reason an amp will sound different.
Full stop.
If the fuse is sacrificial and has no impact whatsoever on the sound of an amp, how can a piece of dirt or different surface contact result in a change of sound?
All the best,
Nonoise |
Anyone here notice that every so often, someone pops in and spouts off about how well pedigreed and engineered his background is and he then goes off on tangents to demonstrate just how smart he is?
That all of the conversations circle around things that have nothing to do with one just trying a fuse and hearing it for themselves? And how that person never goes off the deep end about any other parts of the audio chain? (and if he does, god help anyone who encounters him)
What is it about this site that draws people like that? Is there a factory or training facility that prepares them for this site?
I've said this a long time ago on a similar thread: this is not about fuses. There is some latent event, or series of events, that have led these type of people to go off the deep end and vent in threads like this. Don't encourage them.
All the best,
Nonoise |
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Geoff, go back to any or all of the fuse threads that I participated in and it should easily jog your memory. And, do you really think I was name calling? Meh.
And your cheap shot with the comment on Al shows you to be having, what, a particularly bad day? That was low, even for you.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Geoff, your troll skirt is showing. I enjoy your banter but when to proclaim ignorance on something that's been repeatedly debated and to say anyone said that you said it, when no one did, is just deflecting, using the good 'ol red herring approach.
And for your reasons as to why all fuses don't sound the same, I don't know of anyone who've actually heard them who would disagree. In fact, I've argued those points enough times to be weary of the subject.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Even though what Al pointed out may be true, and probably is true, it actually has no real bearing on the case. You might as well say the sky is blue .
If what was said is true, then it would have significant bearing on the case. Up until now, all naysayers have used the "it's only a sacrificial device" argument, which is not the case. If I remember correctly, even @auxinput pointed out something similar which was quickly and conveniently glossed over in past threads. All the best, Nonoise |
Many thanks, Al, for your contribution to this thread.
As you've stated (and if I properly understand), the purpose of the fuse is not so much as to protect from AC surges incoming and prior to the fuse, as some here have said. It's main purpose is to keep amp processes after the fuse from drawing too much current, making the fuse an integral part of the operation of the amp and therefore having more of a direct bearing on the sound, though it's exact reason as to why cannot be readily explained.
It just does.
All the best,
Nonoise |
One can set one's watch, clock, sundial, or even start a new entry in the Farmer's Almanac with the regularity that this topic comes up with. 👍
All the best,
Nonoise |
This is like a bad relationship. Some bring their baggage from past discussions (relationships) and ruin it for those who know better from actual experience.
Maybe there should be something like speed dating where once the discussion goes south, or when the timer mercifully chimes, move on until you find like minded individuals and leave those of the same mindset alone.
All the best,
Nonoise |
