Solid State Amps for Quad ESL 57?

Chris (ct0517), I believe the RM-9 is no longer available, even as a special order. I could be mistaken however. Roger has relocated to the Bay Area, and appears to be more involved in his Audio Engineering school than in running Music Reference. He has a right-hand man still operating out of his old Santa Barbara location.

Sorry I am late to this thread and for the long post. I don’t hang out much here anymore, but I’d like to point out a few experiences of my own as a Quad ESL-57 user. First though I’d like to address the quote above. Music Reference is alive and well and in the Bay Area, the right hand man in Santa Barbara is no more and I have been helping Roger for the last year and a half. We also have a couple more folks working with us now.

While the RM-9 is no more, we have a few RM-9SE’s left. Otherwise we are still producing RM-10 and RM-200 amps, and Roger has some new designs he is tinkering with. We also just introduced a prototype for an ESL Headphone Amp (that also plays dynamic and planar headphones and doubles as a preamp) and it was received really well. It will be in production shortly.

Now to the ESL-57. When I purchased my set it was more out of curiosity, but once I heard them with my Atma-Sphere M-60 amps I was hooked. I also own an RM-10 and this little amp as previously mentioned is a great match for the speakers. I ran the ESL-57’s this way for about a year. Then Roger Modjeski introduced me to something new.

Roger, while owning ESL-57’s, also built his own ESL speakers which we exhibited at THE Show Newport 2016. In this biamped configuration Roger uses what he calls the AirSpring Woofer system. It’s a woofer array of 2 or more woofers operating below 100 Hz. The low pass is a 4th order L/W crossover specially tweaked with a passive EQ circuit taking the panels down to 32 Hz (can go lower with the change of a resistor). A modified Class AB solid state amp with the crossover circuit built into it handles the woofers. The high pass is also L/W Riley and covers 100 Hz and above. We used an RM-200 and RM-10 on the top.

In my setup I use a Luxman M-02 on the bottom and either the M-60s or RM-10 on the top. Instead of modding the Luxman to house the crossover I bought a used Beveridge RM-3 (designed by Roger) and made my own low pass and high pass cards (Roger still had some blank circuit boards for the RM-3 lying around). I use 4 woofers spread asymmetrically around the room (similar in theory to Duke LeJeurne’s Swarm concept) to eliminate bass nodes tune the set up. The RM-3 has bass and treble trim controls so those come in handy as well.

Overall I can say this is very pleasing set up. I occasionally still use the ESL-57s stand alone to much enjoyment as well. An amazing speaker to say the least

Disclaimer: Atma-Sphere dealer and I work with Music Reference RAM Tubes.

George,

Interesting you should point out that Pass design. About 20 or so years ago N.E.W. loosely based their DCA-33 amp off the A-40. It was about 25 watts Class A and used a separate battery (lead acid) power supply. I owned this amp along with their P-3 preamp which was built for them by Cary and essentially an SLP-50. I still scour the ads for a DCA-33. Nice little amp.

Chris,

The crossover is 100 Hz. The ESL-57s have a 90 Hz bump so you want to crossover above that. The 8" woofers Roger selected can be built in a small sealed enclosure which allows them to have a resonance frequency above 100 Hz that compliments the crossover setting.

There is no significant difference in the RM-3 settings with either the amps. Sometimes I trim the high end a couple dB when running the RM-10 depending on the music. I run the M-60s with 4 tubes each channel so probably about 20 watts. I do use Speltz autoformers with them at 3x setting so that bumps up their power at some frequencies.

Chris,

Sounds like a nice set-up. What subs are you using? My room is 12' w x 18' d and there is a lot of stuff taking up space. So I am pretty limited in placement. I have them about 4' out from the front wall and they are on wood spider legs so they are lifted off the floor. This does make a difference versus the original feet in my opinion, although I'm sure Peter Walker had a good reason for having the speakers so close to the floor.

That is an interesting set up for the ESL-57s. The Dynaudio subs sound interesting as well. I may look into them a bit more.

The spider legs I have do use a three leg approach like the original. The back leg is affixed in the exact position as the original. The difference is the bottom of the panel is now raised about 14" off the floor and the and panel is no longer tilted back. I am going to try and push them out into the room a bit more. I probably have another foot to play with.

I can say these speakers were a game changer for me in a lot of ways. Even in stock form. I'm regret it took me so long to get there.