So many great golden era DD tables out there, what do you recommend for $1000?


Pretty much as the title says.
Have been looking for a while for a decent DD table to add to my lot.
Have bought a few lower end ones and ultimately been dissapointed.
Now I know there were/ are literally hundreds of choices from the Japanese Golden era of DD tables.
Looking for suggestions from actual owners of solid DD tables up to about $1000 .
I have read and read but nothing substitutes for real experience.
This would likely not be my primary table, my Garrard 401 has that position for now.

Thank you.
uberwaltz

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Dear @hagtech  :  Unfortunatelly nothing is perfect in audio and as you pointed out DD has its own trade-offs as BD units too.

We can found out really good quality performances with DD and with BD TTs.

Our choices are determinated by the choice of the best trade-offs for each one of us.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Dear @edgewear : """   and most likely still within your budget. """

Uber already bougth his TT.

R.
Dear @lewm  : Take in count that the P-3 is over 600K Yens so as you posted the 70LII is a true bargain at 1.6K dollars.

R.
Dear @jessica-severin : That QL-A95 makes that the 101 looks as a really mediocre TT ( as a fact it's but this for other time dialogue/discussion. . ).

I have too the information of many others JVC/Victor TTs and from other manufacturers through my japanese bibles ( hard paper. ) but I never gone to those fully integrated TTs pages and is surprising what we can found down there like this Pionner that came with the same tonearm that comes in  the $$$$ Exclusive P-3 ! ! :

https://audio-heritage.jp/PIONEER-EXCLUSIVE/player/pl-70lii.html

Thank you for your real contribution for all of us.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Yes, always looking for something better, some make it buying new audio items other up-datingn/grading what we already own or a blend of both actions.

Is part of human been nature, the need to growing up and audio/music is an opportunity to do it or at least intent to do it..

R.
.@uberwaltz : I'm not fan of any TT. I go with the facts.

As I said your choice. The importat issue is that you stay satisfied with your choices.

R.
Uber : """ rather more similar than one being " much" better. """

it’s way better but as I posted is your choice not mine. Period.

R.


https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_reviews.php?make=Yamaha&model=GT-750
Dear @lewm  : You are totally wrong: the tonearm in the GT750 is the same along the GT 2000 and certainly there is no plastic down there:

http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-GT-2000.html   and here:

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/yamaha/gt-750.shtml

The GT 2000 is superior to the 101. Of course that because you are a 101 owner you can't admit Yamaha is superior. It does not matters what you think YAMAHA is superior and bestgrooves is wrong too when he said the tonearms are not the same because owners of the 750 can attest it's. Could be that the finish can be better on the top models but only the finish of the tonearm not its design and used parts on that tonearm design.

I owned two JVC tonearms one stand alone and one coming from a JVC TT and I can attest both are exactly the same.

Btw, yes specs can't tell us all about a product but here the differences are really high and speaks of the quality level of the building design. You have the 101, put your money where your mouth is and buy the GT 750 for by first hand experiences can attest or not what you are posting.

Sorry but your opinions are way wrong on that regards.

Yamaha not only made it high quality TTs but tonearms and very well regarded cartridges, speakers and electronics.

Audiophiles like you almost never talk about Yamaha but this company is second to none and extremely competitive at the very top level. Please don't make mistakes with.

In the other side I don't care about uber choice because that's his choice for good or bad, he is who will live with his choice not you or me or any one else.

As always only my opinion and nothing more than that.

R.

Btw, about the PUA-7 in other thread was proved that the stand alone is the same that the one in the TT and where in " hell " exist eveidence from Sony where they attested both tonearms are not the same but different. Bestgroove where is your Sony direct evidence. ? ? ?
Dear @uberwaltz : The JVC QLA/ is not your best option and disagree with halcro. I linked to you the Yamaha GT750 that use a JVC motor but way better motor than the QL one, that was done under Yamaha specifications certainly it’s not the same QL one.

GT 750 S/N is -82db vs QL -74 db and GT W&F is 0.006% vs QL only a mediocre 0.025.

But the Yamaha tonearm is superb and is the same tonearm than the Yamaha top of the line TT series GT2000 that goes to megabucks price range. Take a look to the links I posted about that includes a review. Inclusive the GT750 is heavy than the QL by around 5kg.. All those have a meaning of quality between both TTs.

You can do what you want it but ? ? ? Up to you.

R.


Dear @yogiboy : I think that in some ways all audio items are ( in good shape ) audio toys and from this point of view the 60L is an audio toy and very good Denon TT.

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/denon/dp-60l.shtml

and this toy weigth is 13kg. Till today I do not knew a bad Denon " toy ".

Check in that link the " alto scan " brochure and you will know what that " toy " can offer to any one. Maybe is time that you could recovery it from that basement. Was years ago when you gave it to your syster but through the time I can think you made some up-grades to your system that could make a difference in your way of thinking.


@lewm : specs? well you have to make your home work. Anyway specs can’t tel us the whole history but when you are comparing against other Denon items has a meaning that the item it’s not a low-fi one.

@uberwaltz found out a second unit on ebay at even lower price, you can buy it and can make some $$$$ in the re-sales.. As I said before, Denon never disappointed me.

R.
@uberwaltz : You are losting a rare opportunity to own the 60L that its specs are better than the DP-80 and with an additional very good advantage over it and this is that the 60L servo is bi-directional not even Technics units have. The TT is at a very good price.

I don’t need other TT but if I need it I already boughth it that 60L with my eyes " closed ", no quesrtion about.

What are you waiting for?. Yes is your decision, of course. I just thinking in " high voice ". That’s all.

R.
Dear @uberwaltz : You don't have to go " vintage " when you have the new Technics line with coreless motors and very good tonearms:

https://www.technics.com/us/products/grand-class/sl-1200-series.html


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.