So I bought the Willsenton R-800i


After I bought the Klipsch Cornwall IVs recently it became apparent quite quickly that to make it really shine it needs a tube amp to drive it. (For me at least.) After doing some (=endless) research, considering the options (budget, shops nearby carrying models I´m interested in, etc.) and also asking around on this very forum I decided to go for the Willsenton R-800i. None of my friends here shares my excitement for audio stuff or even has a comparable system, so what´s now in my living room is the one tube amp I know. And I´m delighted. Together with the speakers it gives the music the presence and glow that I so desired.

Of course I can tell that there´s more potential in this amp and I already exchanged some of the stock tubes. There are more on the way and I can´t wait to test them. For now my financial means are a bit limited so I´m not ordering Western Electric and Takatsuki 300Bs just for the sake of comparing them. In fact I´m waiting with those a bit and go for the others first.

Searching online I find a lot of information on English language forums. Somehow tube rolling is not discussed as much on the German forums I checked though – and out of curiosity (and because they were pretty cheap) I went for both West- and East-German ECC83s and a fairly random mix of other tubes from the US and the Soviet Union. I´m waiting for them to arrive and not being able to read about some of them it raises my curiosity how they will sound. Maybe crappy, maybe not so bad, maybe even very good. I´ll see. Tube rolling will take some time and I don´t mind. The amp is there to stay for quite a while.

There´s an exhaustive thread on the Willsenton amps and fitting tubes here but since I found people´s comments on this forum so helpful I´m looking forward to hear from you. I´m open for tube recommendations and would like to hear anyone´s experience with the Willsenton R-800i. Or maybe someone has questions?

As for the tubes:

805 – stock replaced for Cossor
300B – stock
6SN7 – stock replaced for Sylvania GTBs, waiting for Fonon NOS (Soviet, 1979, a bargain for 10€)
12AX7 – stock replaced with current Mullard model, waiting for West German ones from AEG and Telefunken, East German ones from RSD and Funkwerk Erfurt (both used) and also Sylvania JAN 5751 NOS (a military model)
5U4G – stock, waiting for RCA NOS black plate and Svetlana NOS „Coke Bottle“

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Showing 3 responses by richl35

New to the thread but not the Willsenton 800i.  My amplifier creates no noticeable hum at what I consider normal listening volumes. My normal listening volume? Loud enough that you could, but wouldn't want to have a conversation. It would require some yelling.

I've rolled a few tubes in mine but I do want to say that this amplifier from the factory has a pretty good tube set in it. I think most would be 100% happy with how it sounds doing absolutely nothing to it. I also want to say that I purchased mine through China HiFi. Living in Boston, MA in the United States, DHL delivered the amplifier in 3 days after it was shipped!!! It took China HiFi 2 days to get it out the door. Outstanding!! The double boxing and packing materials were very well thought out and I'm not sure what else they could of done to safely ship it. Mine made it to my door safely. 

  Back to rolling tubes.  I have bolstered the midrange, added some definition to the high end and didn't hurt the low end at all. I based my selections off of recommendations because this being my first tube amp I do not come from a place of experience. The 12AX7 is now a Telefunken ECC83 EK, I changed the 274B but never noticed any audible difference with the tube I tried. The 805A I installed a set of Linlai Gold Elite E-805 and the 300B, I tried both a WE300B by Psvane and Genelex Gold Lion match set. I settled with the Genelex tube because the additional $450 for the WE300Bs weren't worth the extra $$$. Though they both sounded differently I liked them both differently. And last but not least I installed a set of Shuguang Cv-181 Black Treasures in the 6SN7 spots. This may be the biggest improvement of anything.

  Listening to voice forward recordings like Diana Krall's, When I look into your eyes, You feel her breath on the microphone. The holographic staging of the instruments is so defined. The realism of the piano as it plays from left to right across the room and cymbals that feel like you could reach out and mute them. It's very impressive. But them to spin Bridge of Sighs by Robin Trower, listening to Eye of the Eagle and Bridge of Sighs, it just blows me away how well it handles the 70s style rock guitar and Robin's almost horse voice then settles down to the heavy bass riff to end  Eye of the eagle. The beginning of Bridge of sighs showing off it's holographic strengths ringing around you. Again, strong baselines, great rock guitar riffs and Robin's voice just showcased as not all amplifiers can. The songs never sounding muddy or straining. Somehow throwing all that music at you but not being tiring. Displaying details out of the albums I didn't hear before. 

 And all this through a set of 87db KEF R3 Meta and an SVS Micro 3000 sub. It's a fantastic tube amp!

@roxy54  Thanks for the info. Whomever it was, I absolutely love the music and it’s a fantastic recording!  
 

  BTW…. I have a couple Acme 805 tubes coming in tomorrow to listen to along with a Sophia Aqua 274B. The Sophia I bought the 805s are on loan unless I really like them. Will they be different/better than the Linlai Gold Elite tubes? We will see. 
 

  I also did something else that may not work out for me financially. I borrowed a set of ZU Audio, Omen Def Supreme towers. These things absolutely rock! I love how good they sound at low volumes. Fantastic speakers, for me anyway. I think they are very efficient and I can tell the Willsenton likes them. Likes them a lot! 

@charles1dad The Zu Audio's are staying. I'm honestly not 100% sure what is making the greatest sound improvement when being driven by the Willsenton. Is it possible for a speaker to just sound so much more relaxed but yet very detailed at the same time? I'm guessing overall I prefer the sound of the ZU towers, but I think the amp is able to display so much more detail with such an easier speaker to drive. I'm really enjoying this combination. 

 As far as the tube rolling I will say the following. The Aqua 274 B from Sophia is a winner. I know it's just a rectifier tube but even my wife hears the difference. Playing 41 by Dave Matthews Band, the beginning of the song has a lot of cymbals and a horn coming in. It is just more lively with the Sophia. The cymbals are a little sharper and carry more realistically. This isn't a huge difference but it is noticeable going back and forth a couple times. The Acme 805A tubes for me were a wash. I really didn't notice a difference that I found better than the Linlai Gold Elite tubes I was already running. Those have already shipped back to the owner.