Snake oil, fraud, confirmation bias


It is becoming increasingly apparent that many threads about legitimate topics devolve into one or more of the contributors here making claims of snake oil, fraud, or confirmation bias thereby derailing the conversation beyond the valid and relevant thread topic and this is getting ridiculous. For anyone here who honestly holds the position that there is snake oil and fraud in the world of Music Reproduction Systems I challenge them to prove their claims in court it should be an easy task based on the claims they make here in Audiogon  AND they will make a fortune because in the US once proven they can file a class action suit and profit enormously from the efforts of others to deceive. These people regularly claim that "there is no evidence" that things such as cables or fuses make a difference when in actual fact Audiogon is filled with evidence that these things make very real differences in Music Reproduction Systems of course those who claim fraud reject that evidence as "confirmation bias" but in absence of any documentation from them they are only repeating the claim they have made so many times that has been refuted many times here by those who have demonstrated to there satisfaction that they make a difference.   I think in actual truth the real fraudsters here are those that repeatedly make these claims of snake oil and fraud and often they have no experience to back up there claims they simply say the claims are impossible!
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Showing 12 responses by hifiman5

@kosst_amojan It’s unfortunate that what some are able to discern in their systems that you may or may not be able to hear in your’s, gets you so upset. Isn’t life too short for that?

@jea48 Why should Geoff or anyone else want to involve themselves with Audio Asylum? ugh.  The format there is crazy!
@kosst_amojan    Nothing schizophrenic going on.  I  hear what I hear all the time.  Differences are what they are.   Sorry you can't hear them.😔
@kosst_amojan  How should a chef measure the flavor of a meal?  How does a nice young las who receives a bouquet of roses from her beau measure the fragrance?  How do you or anyone else measure the incredibly complex process that is an individual's hearing?  Are everyone's ears the same? Does everyone's brain process sound the same as everyone else? If so, is that a constant from which we can discern from your measurements that we all hear exactly the same?

Come on... your religion of "All things are measurable" is well... your religion.  Does that make a tape measure or sound pressure meter your god? 

Again...I sympathize that you can't hear cable differences or component burn-in etc.  Truth be told, I would not process the smell of those roses well as my sense of smell is not nearly as acute as most folks I encounter.  Wonder how we can measure that?
@kosst_amojan   I fear you are getting angry again.😡  We all have to live with our limitations, you included.😁
@kosst_amojan  I didn't assume you to have psychiatric challenges and   don't feel qualified to make such a diagnosis.   Although your self-diagnosis explains much about your seemingly senseless ramblings.  Perhaps that's where fact and fiction have become juxtaposed for you. All the best!  I hear that with appropriate treatment... 😃
@kosst_amojan I never claimed anything as gospel.  That's about Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...w a y out of my league!!!!   Those guys were heroic.  Never claimed that! Nor would I.  How about you?
@kosst_amojan   WOW!  The will of God is very clear to you?  You actually presume that you as a man, a creation of God, with the finite mind that God gave you, can comprehend the infinite intellect of God?

By definition that is impossible. Too creepy for me.  Please seek help.  


@kosst_amojan  When does God make his intentions known?  Delusions of grandeur?  I hope you get to the point that you are able to realize your need for help.  All the best, sincerely! 
@ethiessen1  Nice try.  I made the same argument here earlier only to be informed by the naysayers that experiential happenings are irrelevant and silly if the phenomenon can't be measured or affirmed by science.