Sistrum or Neuance or...?

I understand that what sounds best is the point, but after reading Ken Lyon's posts, and dealing with and reading the posts of those associated with Sistrum, I know what I choose to buy, given little other information. I am thinking that Budrew might benefit from getting an idea of the people behind the respective companies.

Neuance also has money back, btw. Maybe talk to each company and audition both devices. Post again if you get the goods. Good luck.

Dissmissing Sean's posts as "petty" (Budrew) and mere "ridicule" (Sistrum) is a shame since he built up a case that is at least worthy of some technical explanation. Unlike some others, I think knowing how device works gives an audiophile more control and power than simply trying the device and "seeing" how it does. A "gracious" return policy is not enough for me to trial-to-buy.

I can empathize why Sistrum may not want to get in to it, but that is taking the lower road, especially considering other manufacturers have responded to these types of debates with their design reasoning. Adding a little salt to their non-answer is that Sistrum has repeatedly advertised in these forums. I personally am left with a hole in Sistrum's logic (calling is pointless) and a lesson to become more self-sufficient in audio. Thanks Sean and Joe Ciulla.

If you don't mind, Tom, could you please describe in whatever detail you can the smoother frequency response (e.g. frequency range, degree, Q/width? of what was smoothed). I'm curious, thank you.

Thanks.

I don't think Bayer or Microsoft claimed their products work in a way that they could not. If they did, I'm sure a knowledgeable someone would be considered responsible in calling them on it. That's the point your otherwise fine posts are beside. FWIW - the mech of aspirin has been known since the seventies.

I fell upon this while looking through Ken Lyons' posts. Its interesting to see what has and has not changed in three years. Just for the archives:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?htech&980018129&openfrom&1&4#1

Within the subject of similarity, I could not find any accusations of Sistrum snake-oil in the 2001 thread, which I consider an issue separate from shilling. Another, more amusing similarity is Robert Maicks having the exact same time constraints. I have to say the amount of irony is has broken my meter, including me "opening the door" for another Twl promotion.

PS - Being newer to audio than Sistrum, its not that I am biased by products or ideas that have been around longer, if that matters to anyone. I own audiopoints.

Flex is right in his assessment. Robert Maicks stated point blank that Sistrum has an advertising agreement with audiogon. And if you do not read Twl's second paragraph as an ad here is another:

"Try some Audiopoints under it...

Disclaimer: I work for a company that manufactures vibration control devices. 1-800-307-0728"

They are not rare, and the content of the rest of Twl's posts in which these ads are inserted is not relevant.

I think how past audiogoners would have reacted is hard to say, but I would guess there would be more peer pressure against the ads. They didn't react kindly to Robert's shills; that is all I really know. Not that I would be a real loss, I would move to AA, no problem, but after four years I do not like the idea of being displaced by people like Twl and I am not keen on re-familiarizing myself.

"Simply because there are a couple of posters here who seemingly can't stand to have anything said about products or companies that they don't like"

Please give names of posters and companies, so I can know better. Because all I see is posters not liking your company, not because your products buck the establishment or any bullshit like that, its because you and your company are behave unethically. You have been in narcissistic wonderment about that reason all along.

"They are not moderators, nor do they have any power to determine what is said here..."

Audiogon has taken action from poster pressure in the past and nobody survives in a community that shuns them.

"...any more than I do."

I have not forgotten Sistrum's deal with audiogon.

***In ethics one question to ask if everybody did the same thing, how would that affect the community?***

PS - "Certainly, we understand that some have difficulty understanding our technology"

Not "understanding", "believing". Don't tell us Warren has the technical incites Sean does. Plus you had to defer to your engineers because as a salesman, you couldn't handle the technical debate. Its all either upstairs or deleted.

"Narcissistic" was a poor choice. “People” was an even worse choice. Apologies to Twl and everyone. Please replace with "self-complimentary" and “salesmen”, respectively. I sincerely wanted to make my argument specific and shot myself in the foot.

"you show quite a need of humility yourself"

I am quite aware of my personality. I appreciate when someone can take me to task. Giving your opinion of me without giving your opinion of me isn’t interesting to me.

What I believe about your technology is irrelevant to any of my points, and whether I consider Sean a benchmark is irrelevant. Ethically, nothing Sean did flipped my switch. There are a lot of ethical issues in the world. One has to pick their battles, so stating I do not address any others is not a defense or an offense of any kind.

"All my posts have withstood the scrutiny of the moderators here, and they have been monitored. Starsound's "deal" with Audiogon is the same as any other supporting advertiser, without whom the members would not enjoy the benefit of this website."

Audiogon was here before you. For good reason we had a rule, that is still posted, about not allowing posts obviously trying to sell something. If we all were trying to sell something on the forums this would be one sorry site. All I can do is post what I think in the forums. There is no plan of action as you claim; I'm just not going to shrug and let this one pass. Others have maintained a presence in audiogon without injecting substanceless advertisements. There has been an exchange of expertise and company awareness, but not with Star Sound.

“I've reduced my posting on this board by about 80% from my previous contributions, and the bulk of my typing time now comes from answering many emails from members asking me for advice about their systems. Oddly enough, they don't share your views about me. And I do everything I can to help them. And many times I don't even discuss anything that I sell. Surprise!"

I am already aware of this.

I never asked you to explain yourself. I would never try to induce you in to a tirade to get you kicked out, a notion I find absurd.