Should I PURCHASE AN EXTERNAL DAC


I  have been debating on whether or not to purchase an external DAC and/or update my CD/SACD equipment. Honestly I am not very knowledgeable about DAC chips and I am in need of advice. Currently I have the Pioneer DV-47A Elite for my SACD's and a Rotel RCD 990 for my CD's. All being feed thru my Marantz AV8802A pre amp. When I purchased the Pioneer and Rotel new they were considered very good equipment and  had the better DAC chips at the time. I am using the DAC chip set in the Marantz for my Rotel and the DAC chip set in the Pioneer for SACD. I am considering the Oppo 205 if i decide to update, for SACD and CD's and Blue ray, (I also do home theater). Will the chip set in the Oppo or an external DAC be superior and noticeably different than my current equipment? How does it compare to the DAC in my Marantz? My budget is about $1000 for an external DAC. I am open to suggestions for equipment and any advice. I also use my computer to stream music from Amazon and Spotify (no Tidal or Roon streaming yet).  thanks  
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Until you upgrade your sources to lower the jitter, the differences will be small.  I continue to hear audiophiles say that a $200 DAC sounds the same as a $2000 DAC, or that all DACs sound the same.  This is why I highly recommend upgrading your source or reducing the jitter from it.

Here is typical jitter from a transport:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=154408.0

If you intend to use a transport, then you have 2 choices: buy a very expensive transport to lower the jitter ($5K+), or use your current transport and lower it's jitter with a reclocker like the Synchro-Mesh ($599).

Once you have a low jitter source, only then can you properly audition DACs and S/PDIF coax cables.  Then you will hear the real differences and be able to make an informed choice.

Unfortunately, you will not be able to do SACD with an external DAC.  You will still need the analog outputs from your CDP.  Nothing much can be done about SACD jitter, except to mod your DAC, which will reduce jitter, but not nearly to the level of a good reclocker.  If you don't have a large SACD collection, don't bother.  Your CD collection will probably sound better than the SACDs anyway.  Treating CDs with coatings and other tweaks to reduce CD jitter are not necessary if you use a Synchro-Mesh reclocker.

Steve N.

Empirical Audio


It seems like what I read on this forum the vast majority are not into home theater set ups , just 2 or multi channel music. I love my music but I enjoy a bang up movie too working that sub!

l am in the 2-channel biz, but I prefer HT myself.  I also have a dual system.

I have a tweak for you that will lift your HT system to new heights:

Jitter from the OPPO is again the issue, as well as jitter from your smart TV or cable box if you use one.

The fix is like my Synchro-Mesh reclocker, but this IFI SPDIF iPurifier reduces jitter for Dolby Digital and DTS:

https://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-spdif-ipurifier/

At $149, it's a no-brainer.  Just buy it.  It has coax and optical in and out, so compatible with any system.

The Synchro-Mesh is the one to beat for 2-channel, but the iPurifier is the best thing for HT.

If you have a flat screen between your front left and right speakers, you would greatly benefit from diffusors between the back of the speakers and the screen.  In my system, I use 1/4 round tube-traps to scatter the backwave from the speakers.  This improves depth and width of imaging and improves focus.  Putting a quilt over the screen does not cut it.  Check out tube-traps from ASC:

https://www.acousticsciences.com/products/fractional-tube-traps

You can find 1/4 rounds used on ebay sometimes.  See how they are used in my older setup:

http://www.empiricalaudio.com/about-empirical-audio/

Steve N.

Empirical Audio

It’s hard to find a universal "transport" that doesn’t break the bank which led me to buy an OPPO 103D. It is a great machine that sounds pretty good but the reason I bought it was to pair it with my DAC. I would buy another OPPO in a heartbeat, most likely a 205.....or a "305" because I will run the 103 til it dies.


I too use an OPPO for 2-channel, SACD and blu-ray, but it needs some help:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=154408.0

With Synchro-Mesh, the transport does not matter. Achieves jitter of a $20K transport. ANY transport will do.  The SPDIF iPurifier lowers jitter for blu-rays.  For SACD, there is nothing you can do except for modding it, and that will yield only small improvement.  I modded transports and DACs for 10 years myself, but I don't mod anymore.

My Rotel 990 is built like a tank and has a great transport, to use it with the Synchro Mesh for 2 channel. and get the Oppo for surround-SACD, and blueray. Would I benefit from this set up for CD’s or is it a minimal gain and just the Oppo for CD’s as well?

The OPPO will be necessary for SACD and blu-ray. I would highly recommend the SPDIF iPurifier to reduce jitter for blu-ray movies.

You can use either transport for 2-channel if you have a Synchro-Mesh. It literally does not matter what the source is for the Synchro-Mesh. It will sound identical if you use a Sonos, cheap transport, expensive transport, ipod dock, computer laptop. Does not matter.

It also galvanically isolates the transport from the DAC BTW, so eliminates that ground-loop.

Steve N.

Empirical Audio