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Separate subs for music and HT/surround

My stereo setup is comprised of Ayre 5/20 series digital hub, preamp and amp that drive KEF Ref 1s through a passive Marchand high-pass filter. For HT and surround, LR side and rear surround from an SP3 go to NAD Class D amps that drive LS50s. The SP3 receives HDMI from an Ayre DX-5 DSD, and its front LR output goes to a balanced by-pass input of the KX-5/20. I have two Velodyne SMS-1 bass managers that provide acoustic room correction, two HGS-10 subs, and two HGS-15 subs.

Question: Should I use one SMS-1 with the two HGS-10s for stereo and the other SMS-1 with the two HGS-15s for HT and surround music? I realize there are advocates for using 4 subs, and I could daisy-chain the SMS-1s, but separating the SMS-1s seems a neat way to keep stereo separate from HT.

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kgveteran
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I just recently realized for music (in stereo) i have to dial back my subs to -12db, for movies i go back to -4.5b where Audyssey put it. I leave Audyssey engaged and DynamicEq on also, for my low level music its works
the two surround modes (Denon X4300), dts and Dolby both stink for surround music, I miss Prologic II.......
my subs are on either side walls 1/3rd into the room from the front screen wall, my LP is 1/4 into the room from the back wall, no EQ needed, it was all about the level. 
I have a rolling 600lb door that seals off the room for late nite watching, but I prefer the door open for music.........
kgveteran
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@Clearthink i could probably place the level inbetween...... gonna give that a try, hmmmm -8db and call it quits
kgveteran
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Okay listen first off its not gonna sound like it but I totally get it. People with HT setups love their HT setups in spite of the horrid sound. Or maybe even because of the horrid sound. I get that. Do not understand why anyone would want to waste their money on horrid sound but they do and so I totally get that.

I was watching Over Lord last night, if anyone wants a demo scene on their Horrid sounding HT :0) , this is the ticket,the first 15min is a roller coaster.
 
And that was the 5.1 version on PrimeVideo upmix to DolbyD+DDS, I immediately ordered the 4K Atmos disc
kgveteran
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I cant stop laughing, im sorry.....i gotta go now.
kgveteran
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OmniMic or REW are more accurate Measuring devices. Promoting anything other than measuring with instruments is misguided advice. 
While multiple subwoofers are accurate advice, and provides enduser with a smoother response at the LP, this is 2019 and we have software and hardware that are affordable and accurate.

a comprehensive multiple subwoofer array setup scheme combined with proper calibration equipment will get you much closer than archaic “crawl” method.

If crawling around was a conclusive method, Kef and Velodyne would scrap their testing facility and hire professional “Crawlers” :0)

Kg


kgveteran
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   Tim,
            We will agree to disagree, cheers mate !
kgveteran
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No wonder SVS is climbing toward the top in subwoofer sales, design, R&D

if i read SVS recommends crawling around rather than a $60 mic and free software and a lsptop, i’ll throw in the towel Lol

kgveteran
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Timmie,
Keep Crawlin brother :0)

Cheers and best to you

KG

  ps: i understand your fear in not really being able to operate test equipment, you’ll get it if you really try, the investment will pay off in. Good luck Timmie, you add a lot of useful advice here !
kgveteran
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    Oh Tim......you didnt......a surgeon......ur gross......i find this pathetic......i have to bow out of this exchange.
kgveteran
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Hello kgveteran,

    ?...Wtf... ? You've chosen to be a cowardly baby chicken?

Tim
Calling a $65 mic expensive, when discussing subwoofer systems costing thousands is plain silly.

no need to discuss what we do for a living since its pointless, and im sure you throw around what you do wherever and whenever Lol, no one really cares.

i suggest to new subwoofer Owners to do some reading on subwoofer placement, and further do some research on affordable microphones and free software. There are a lot of really good threads in other forums which take the scientific method of subwoofer placement, delay, gain settings, DSP ,So they can get all that good money they spent on the subwoofers to really pay out at the listening position.

Tim, have fun crawling, but in a world full of great methods and scientifically accurate procedures with results proving all i have stated, you Sir do nothing to progress, which is why you offer the methods you speak of. My guess its only because you just dont know your way around laptops and software, i do understand your plight 

kgveteran
377 posts
 
As i said, agree to disagree....

as to the OP, i have always had best performance running all subs from a single LFE output, most times running my subs hot for HT and backing off the SPL for music.

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