Seeking Amp / Preamp Upgrades


 
 

Hi All, first time poster but long time Audio guy.  After about a 15 year hiatus from being a responsible family guy ... I am making my come back to HiFi and putting together a system in what I would call the moderate price zone.  I am seeking some guidance/suggestions and any general opinions given the current environment on acquiring an AMP / Preamp upgrade.  In the past, I drove Vandersteen 2CIs with Aragon Palladium MKII Mono's and used an ARC LS12 (SS).  Current sources: ClearAudio Performance DC with ClearAudio Tracer Tonearm & Charima MM; Parasound Halo JC3 Jr. Phono stage; Esoteric K-05Xs SACD/CD/DAC; Innuos ZENith MK3 Streamer/Server.  Sonus Faber Sonetto V speakers.

Genre's are Classic Rock, Blues, some unplugged acoustic easy listening and a small dose of Jazz.

Currently using older/borrowed equipment:  Classe Audio CP60 Pre & a Rotel RB981 200wpc amp, sound is well, ok. Hence my upgrade quest.  I prefer a big Sound stage with precision and some warmth, have never been a Tube player, but will consider introducing them in a manageable way.

I am fine buying new or used and beyond suggestions, I also have a line on either an ARC LS17SE MKII (Tube) or a PS Audio BHK Signature (Hybrid) both used.  Any thoughts or views on either of them would be appreciated.  Sorry for the long and winding road here but Finally ... AMP selection- I am struggling in the current landscape of choices, so guidance on pairing with a Preamp & placing one into the system I have reassembled here would be most helpful.   Many thanks, hifi63nc.

hifi63nc

If you do not want your preamp to add anything to the sound, then a Benchmark LA4 preamp at $2500 is what I use. I want to get a second LA4 to replace a CODA 07x that I am selling which adds some warmth to the sound. The CODA 07x is highly regarded and more expensive but I have a new outlook on preamps.

I feel like a neutral preamp is the way I will go from now on. This is not necessarily the right way, just my way. In my 2 systems, I have a warm amp, a KRELL 175XD, and a super neutral amp, a Benchmark AHB2. My preference is to hear the amp and the source and keep the preamp out of it.

Benchmark has a 30-day home trial that can be used to see if neutrality is the way to go for you. A Topping pre90 ($799) ls like the LA4 but I owned it too and cannot recommend it due to volume problems with some amps.

All other preamps require you to figure out if the sonic ingredients are cumulatively tasty. This can be a fun and challenging exercise if the gear is not from the same vendor.

BTW - another preamp to demo is the Schitt Freya+, not the most detailed, but with a neutral amp I thought it was very good. It cost $1000 and has a 15-day home trail. I sold it be because it added to the sound.

 

Hi guys, thank you for the quick responses!  Budget wise I am trying to stay in line with the approximate range of each piece that I have acquired recently to start up my system again.  So roughly $4000 each for a Pre & Amp.  I could buy the used Pre's that I mentioned above in the $2300-$3500 range given their respective age but wanted input on how they effect the sound and I seem to hear a good bit now about audiophiles favoring neutrality in their preamps.  Thanks again, hifi63nc. 

@hifi63nc The Topping pre90 that one can get for about $350 is used as the reference preamp for one of the Stereophile reviewers. He is the one that wrote the review on Stereophile. Soundnews.net has a better review of the pre90.

I sold my unit because it only worked with 2 pieces. However, when it does work it is really good (neutral and incredibly quiet).

The folllowing combo is something that may work for you. I had this in the house for a month and it was really good (I listed used prices).

- Topping pre90 (used $350)

- Parasound A21+ ($2500)

The Topping pre90 also worked great for me with the Benchmark AHB2 but I do not recommend that for you. Too neutral for most people.

The A21+ is a warmish amp with power and drive. I really liked it. I only traded it in to get the KRELL 175XD which is more refined, but I was enjoying the A21+ when I ran it with the pre90. This is not reference quality sound but for the price is very good. Actually, i recommended this combo to someone else and they wrote back to me saying how much they liked it.

 

Thanks for that recommendation- at that price level, it is seriously worth a shot and seems like a lay up for a backup or second system one day.  Also, I am somewhat familiar with John Curl products, so worth a read for sure.  Another Amp that I just come across are the Audio by Van Alstine DVA M225 Monoblock's.  Anyone have any familiarity with AVA?