Schumann Resonator

willgolf, you run horns? Wonder if that has anything to do with it?

That's the spirit. That is what I have always done. Every single thing I have was tested. First for proof of concept, then gradually more and more as and if it continues to work. If not, adios MF! 😂😂

Disappointed there wasn't a better result. Sounds like there was, just not as much as we were expecting. Then again, only $20! Do you have a cat? They seem to love em. Krissy's goes and curls up to hers all the time!

I would be tempted to try these things if I could hear of any positive blind tests, which should be quite easy to perform.

If it's so easy, and you want it so bad, do it yourself. Those of us who can hear, why should we spend three seconds proving anything to you?  

The truly hilarious thing is we have right now a thread about a guy who is totally stone deaf, and he hears better with his balloon than you with your "ears"!

To my ears the resonator sounds as if it adds space to a system that is already wall to wall. This added space seems to come with a higher degree of focus and detail and with a more stable image all across the wall. The image seemed wider more stable and made me feel more at ease and relaxed..not stuck to my chair with my head in a vice.

Yup. And the more you use, the more of this you get. I'm at 10 and thinking might try a few more.  

Most all of these circuit boards have a tiny little trim pot. Probably fine-tunes the frequency, or but who knows? One of my fun projects, twist the trim pot and see if it makes any difference. Like these things aren't strange enough, tuning by ear. 

Ted definitely figured out something along these lines, he has an app where you can adjust soundstage width and depth and other stuff from your iPad.

I've got ten of them all over the place, some pointing one way some pointing another. Sometimes one falls over and dangles whichever way. When I notice I put it back. I've never noticed any difference in sound from any of them no matter which way they're going. Ditto the 5 ft off the floor advice, got some right on the floor they are if anything more effective there than 5ft up. 

These things are radiating radio waves. The spiral circuit board trace is the broadcast antenna. Probably if you dig into it enough you will find the radiation pattern is some sort of dipole. Like it matters. The thing is so small that for all intents and purposes the radiation pattern is a sphere. And it don't matter which way you point a sphere. 

The effect will of course be stronger closer than farther away. We know this because no matter where Krissy puts hers the cat finds it and curls up right next to it.

Ran this through my "make sense of the banter" decoder ring and the translation: "This stuff actually works."

Yup. 

 And if I don't hear an improvement (even after weeks) the tweak is gone.

You got me beat on patience. If I don't hear a difference immediately it is gone. Whatever it is. Whatever it cost.  

musicaddict-

I am interested if anyone has any experience with the SRs that generate a square wave versus a sine wave. I am wondering about the possible differences between the two based on some comments on ’pain’ with square wave resonators. Thoughts based on real experiences are what I’m interested in. Possibly educated theories could apply. Thanks much!

No idea if mine are square or whatever. Never paid attention to that. But I can tell you what I do know.

Before buying I read a lot of stuff. I read peer-reviewed research showing statistically significant reductions in blood pressure and depression (psychological studies) and I read New Age crystal stories about how great you will sleep, and everything in between. So I was paying attention and figured that unusual focus on how I feel was why I noticed a feeling like a very slight tension headache as soon as the first one was plugged in.

That feeling persisted as the second was plugged in and was there pretty much the whole time I was listening. It was so minor I dismissed it as coincidence. First couple nights I moved one to bedside at night. Wife claimed she slept better. I felt no difference. The slight headache was gone. Probably nothing.

Gradually every so often I bought a couple more. The slight uneasy feeling returned each time a new one or two were added. At one point I sent one to Krissy. She was thrilled, it made her feel so much better right away, and she put it under her bed.

Not long after that she’s looking around, where the hell did the cat go? Looking everywhere. Damn cat must have got out. Finally she looks under the bed. Cat never went there before but wtf only place she hasn’t looked. There’s the cat, curled up and sleeping right next to the SG.

Possibly my skull is too thick, or brain too big, but it works on normal size humans and cats. We report. You decide.

No, really, it's true. My brain is unusually large. Seriously.

All mine were added one and two at a time. I heard the improvement each time. But hardly ever do I go back and take something out just to be doing it all over again. Used to, a lot, and totally get why this is a thing. When first learning and developing listening skills it is so amazing it is hard to believe and so we tend to need all kinds of validation. I am so far beyond that for so long now you can't imagine. But still, every once in a while....

So unplugged five of em last night. Half the ten. Heard the sound go flat even from behind the speakers. Sat down, 30 seconds was more than enough of that, hooked em back up.  

Who wants to listen to that flat, grainy, sound that sounds like it's coming from speakers when you can have dimensional, full natural music that floats in the room? 

Rhetorical question. Scroll up, read the names, get your answer. Not every audiophile it seems is all that much of an audiophile. mahgister being the main exception around here. He actually is willing to try stuff and listen and go by what he hears. Good for him. Everyone should be like that. Or try it, at least once in a while.

It is clear to me now I have vastly misjudged the reading comprehension of (some) of my audience. I say some because while it may appear to you all you are the only ones here, let me assure you many others read and do not comment precisely because of all the blather and attacks they can see coming if they do. So while they get it a lot of you do not and so I will try and be real clear and simple: 

Double-blind tests are where people who cannot hear go to hide the fact they cannot hear.  

Got it? Good. I will now leave you to blather endlessly back and forth among each other pretending anyone cares. Bye!

sokogear-

I think that is what MillerCarbon does. He knows in theory it improves the sound and does whatever he can in that regard. It's a free country. I like to justify any expenditure. I find it hard to beleive he can hear every single thing he's done and when removed he would notice it. Double blind test would be nice to hear. 

Double-blind testing is the refuge of tin-eared wanna-bees. I've demonstrated this so many times with so many different things over so many years it is hard to do anything now but laugh. I could tell you so many stories but now I don't even have to do that any more, just refer you to my System page where you can read Deborah's comment for yourself: 

During the middle of one song (I had my eyes closed) ,Chuck took the cables off the Cable Elevators; I immediately heard the sound become distorted and muddy. 

"Had my eyes closed". So in other words literally blind. Just want to be sure you caught that. Had no idea it was coming. Literally double-blind. I got so many of these, you don't even know. This one I love because she wrote it herself without even being asked. Beautiful. 

Every single thing in my system is like that. Nothing is there because: theory. Nothing is there because: reasons. Only reason any of it is there is because I tried it and heard it was better. Not teensy bit better either. The kind of better a woman listening intently finds startling. Yes every single thing is like that. Even the freaking rubber band trick. Don't miss that one! 

But hey, I get it. You have no idea. As much as is shown and described on my System page, I was just reading it, and surprised to realize it barely scratches the surface. Yes indeed I really can hear every single thing. You would too, if you had the time. You really should come hear it. For what some of this stuff costs it would be worth it to fly out here just to learn what is possible. For what you would save buying tweaks that work instead of running the upgrade treadmill it would totally be worth it.

larryh111-

First, Schumann resonance is an electromagnetic field not an acoustic signal. Second the amplitude of the field is on the order of 1 picotesla and can only be detected with highly sensitive antennas and instruments. The magnetic coil used to detect Schumann resonance typically consists of tens to hundreds of thousands of turns of wire wound around a highly magnetic core. Further, 1 picotesla is many orders of magnitude smaller than the earths own magnetic field. All this is to say the idea of a Schumann resonator improving sound is pure nonsense. However It does beg the question as to what a person thinks is true versus what they want to think is true. What do you think millercarbon?

I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about an extremely weak field, and we are generating the same sort of frequency only about a billion times stronger. All you have to do is compare something as obviously simple as the circuit boards power consumption to figure that one out. You spent a lot of time Goolaging up factoids without bothering to understand a word of it. That is what I think.

Krissy said the same thing. I sent her one, she put it under her bed, sleeps way better. Okay you say, so what, double-blind bias, expectation coulda woulda shoulda. Until she noticed, where'd the cat go? Under the bed. Never went there before. Curled up right next to the SG. 

The signpost ahead, you are entering the Audiophile Zone.

We report. You decide.

invalid. Good one. Apt.

Sorry i own 12 in my grid...
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Wait- what?!?!?!

hard to tell if bluemoodriver is legit and confused or just scientifically illiterate and confused. Or if making his comedic debut: don’t quit your day job!

The resonance is not the Earth, it is radio waves refracting and reflecting within the space between the Earth’s surface and the ionosphere. None of this is in phase. It is a frequency not a synchrony. The difference is profound. Ordinary light can be passed through a prism to show bands of the same frequency or color. This light is however all chaotic with regard to phase. A single frequency in phase, what we call coherent light, is a laser. Helluva difference. Science. Get some.

sns- My first two were used on the left rear wall. First one and then two. Same location. No reason other than that is where the outlet made it easy. There was definitely an increased sense of envelopment, but the sound stage did not pull back and to the left. The next two were added on the right, directly across from the first two. Again the same improvement. Again the stage did not pull to the side.

The next 2 were added on the left front. Again, this was entirely due to there being an outlet nearby, and something to put them on. Because at this point I was relying on what everyone said about them being 5ft up off the floor. Same thing, same improvement, no sense of the stage being pulled to the left.

Then one was added front and center. This time on the floor. Because of the screen, and the flashing blue lights. Then I added an 8th, also front and center. Both of these are on the floor leaned up against the wall, behind a power conditioner and amps.

I have moved them around a bit, turned them on and off, they are not even all the same circuit board, but it sure sounds to me like they all do the same thing and no matter where they are placed.
Full disclosure, I don’t spend a lot of time obsessing over minutia. Might seem like I do but I don’t. Easiest way to tell if an improvement is worth doing, if you hear it right away it is. Otherwise, sorry but no. Move on. Schumann generators are worth doing. Where they go? Sorry but no. 

I have 2 more on order. This will bring me to ten. Very important I stay one ahead of mahgister! ;) When they come they will go on the front right floor but only because with all these damn Schumann generators I am running out of outlets!

Tom you crack me up. Keep em coming.  

Those grounding dealie-bobbers, they look like a loop? But that would just be a longer version of a grounding plug? Or is something akin to Fight Club magic matter involved?

The radio waves put out by the SG are picked up by the wires in the AC grid equally as well as the wires in the components in the system. I don't even distinguish between them. The grid is the system as much as anything else.

Interesting. I thought the SR devices do not affect the sound or the listening environment, they only relax the listener so the music becomes more enjoyable.

Don't know about others but somewhere in my comments I made clear this is not the case. If they were somehow affecting me then everything- not just the stereo but voices, people talking, every sound in the room- would sound better. That is not the case. All the other acoustical treatments do affect all the sound in the room. Not just the sound coming from the speakers. All of it. 

This is a good example of how to think a problem through and solve a puzzle logically. If it is an acoustic effect then it will affect all the acoustics, not just what is coming from the speakers. This is not the case. Everything else sounds the same. So it can't be that. 

If it is a psychological effect then again it would affect every experience of sound. So again everything should sound better. But it does not. So it cannot be psychological. 

The device does emit electromagnetic radiation. This is the whole purpose. All the wires in the system are functional antennas receiving radio waves. This is not news, RFI is real, so no new information there.  

Dither is a noise that when added to a signal actually improves the perceived quality of the signal. If this sounds unlikely please take a moment, pause, do a search. Dither is used in video, has been for decades.  

The most likely explanation I know that fits all the facts is a Schumann generator adds dither, and this improves our aural perception of sound the same as it improves our visual perception of images.  

Green is a trip! Sexiest deepest most luxuriously liquid sensual sound ever! Even more than the stuff I'm not allowed to tell you about! 😂😂😂

Fascinating. Somewhere in some of my comments I made note of this. Immediately upon plugging the first one in I felt something like a slight tension in my head. It wasn’t a lot and I was kind of hyper-vigilant trying to notice any little thing and so I thought the feeling in my head was, you know, all in my head. There was no doubt about the sound improvement, and the feeling of unease hung around all night. But it wasn’t bad and I will put up with it for the sound improvement. After a couple nights it went away. Never felt it again.

Until I added 2 more. Then sure enough, same exact feeling. Only this time went away faster. This has since repeated every time more were added. My wife never noticed anything like this. The one I sent Krissy, identical to mine, she was gushing how it made her feel so good. Her cat finds it, curls up and sleeps right next to it.

These things definitely have an effect. What exactly varies a lot. If you can’t hear a difference you can’t hear a difference. But it would be interesting to know if that feeling goes away in a day or so like it did with me, and if then when you are relaxed you might notice the sound is better too.

Hope you got PHT Black and Green. Black is more neutral, dynamic. Green is more dreamy liquid. Try moving them around to find where they work the best. Together they are the bomb!

I have built systems that have inherent noise levels above absolute silence,

Not to rain on your parade Douglas_schroeder, it is quite the accomplishment I am sure, but don't all systems have inherent noise levels that are above absolute silence?

sokogear-

I also believe as AJ van den Hul states in his 100 page audio white paper/encyclopedia on his web site that moving wires has a short term change in sound until returned to their steady state. That would imply that vibrations in cables, amps and the like would impact SQ, however, I don't believe it is audible under "normal" circumstances. 

I don't know what "normal" circumstances are, but I figured this out all by myself decades ago. 

At the time I had 2 identical Synergistic Research Master Coupler power cords. Absolutely identical, bought at the same time. Ted was saying he selects his wire by listening, not all wire qualifies. So I figured if that was the case then maybe I can do the same, maybe even two seemingly identical wires one sounds slightly better than another. 

So I listened to my CD player with the one that was on it. Then I unplugged the other one and moved it over to the CDP. Immediately flabbergasted to hear the second PC was not as detailed, focused, clear and liquid! It was not huge but was easy to hear, absolutely no doubt about it. 

I listened to it for several minutes, wracking my brain for how it could be that Synergistic would sell two cables so different in performance. Well probably no one would ever notice unless comparing side by side, and why would anyone ever do that?? After a few minutes I began to get the feeling this one was still a little better but not nearly so much. Seriously.  

So I swapped them back and what do you know, now this one sounded worse!  

It was at this point when I remembered that when Caelin Gabriel (yes the Shunyata Caelin Gabriel) came over one time how gingerly and carefully he handled his power cords. One guy was even giving him a hard time about it. But I remember and now was starting to think maybe there is something to this after all. 

This is a very easy test anyone can perform. Take your power cord, speaker cable, or interconnect, listen to it, give it a good thorough wiggle and bend, listen again. It will sound like crap at first, and then settle back into normal performance after some minutes. How crappy and how many minutes depends more on how good a listener you are than anything to do with the cable. If you are a really good listener it will be obvious, and you will hear it change back practically second by second. Odds are you are an average listener and you will just barely notice. Whatever. Your problem. Not mine! 

This is the real reason cable elevators and things like that work so well. This is something I have been able to prove by using a rubber band to suspend the cable above the elevator. Shouldn't make any difference but it does. 

People, you do not need big thick books or guys with impressive names to tell you this stuff. Just go and listen. You will hear.  

Then again, maybe not.

Wonderful. Virtue signal received loud and clear. 

You say light-hearted. I say mean-spirited and malevolent.

The challenge now is to find one genuinely light-hearted post. Every single one of his jokes that I ever say was at the expense of someone else. His whole website is one big stick in the eye. The guy took pure word salad- "morphic fields" - claimed he could use them to make your system sound better with a phone call, and charged thousands of dollars for it! That is NOT light hearted! 

Sorry he sucked you in. If it is any consolation you were not the only one. But rest assured: you were suckered, that was his goal, and there was never anything light-hearted about it.

mahgister-

When i introduced him to my Schumann generators cabled grid modified by my "golden plates" and Herkimer diamond, he bought some but never give me a review about them... And never explained to me why they work if they work.... I figured it myself....

Of course not. He never explained anything in any of his 22k posts. To anyone who thinks different, I challenge you to find even one post where he explains something. Good luck!

He knows already for sure what a Schumann Generator is....And he has never explained to me why they work, save explaining why they cant work because of antenna problem etc....It was not easy asking him questions...He answered in riddles....

It’s called word salad. Even his riddles are word salad.

For me it is something that decrease the noise level powerful destructive effect by adding a dithering frequency that is powerful because it was one near the atmosphere resonance with the earth....

Beautifully put! Thank you!

Now watch this. People have asked how this works. You just explained how it works. But nobody will get it. Went right over their heads. Brainiac blathering about MR. Totally missing the point- absolutely uninterested in getting at the truth. Obsessed with arguments going nowhere. It is all so depressingly repetitious.

Except every once in a while we get something good, like your posts. Thank you for that!

PS- geof3, when you buy more, get the one for $9.92 or whatever. Three for the price of the one you got. Much better deal.

So no one can tell me what they're supposed to do? I honestly have no idea. All I get is some snarky comment from MC about how dare I ask how they work? I don't even know what they do let alone how they do it.

Did you not read the post? If that is your idea of real sweet like no way you been getting any and no wonder you're so cranky.

Well, I just got mine... I got the shiny one with pretty lights. $35ish. Just plugged it in, I don’t know what it is doing, but it IS doing something. My system is no slouch and my room is as treated as it can be practically speaking... and damn, it makes a difference. Hard to quantify at this point, I’m just playing with it, but everything seems to be tighter, more distinct. Wider, higher, deeper. Very surprising. I put it right in front of my listening position at seated ear level. No idea if that is “right”. We will see.

There you go. A man who actually tried an idea, judged the result by ear, and is already wondering how to make it even better. 

What a concept.

Someone like this I would probably explain for free without even asking. All you with attitude, better practice pretending to make all sweet like. 

They are all the same, so get the cheap one. When I heard about this last year it seemed kooky, but mahgister and roxy54 are credible and higher skilled audiophiles and so I started searching around. Because even at $10 I take my time and DYODD. Right away there was a review of a $400 product that showed the exact same circuit board inside it as all the ones on eBay and Amazon. 

So don't even bother, the circuit boards are all the same. Unless you want to pay $50 to $390 for a box. Don't bother with returns, they are $10 and not worth the trouble. Especially since the only way you will be returning is if you are stone deaf! (On second thought, that could be a lot of the most prolific posters....hmmm....)

What these things do is clear and easy to hear. People so stuffed full of it they cannot do anything until they can talk themselves into thinking they understand what is going on, good luck! Can you tell me how fiat currency works? Your car? AC? Anyone? Beuller? But somehow the world is supposed to stop until we can explain how this thing makes music sound so dimensional, detailed, natural and real? Right. Dream on.

Starting with one I added a couple at a time until now at 8 with 2 more on the way. Each one improved the same amount as the last. So much for the "law" of diminishing marginal returns. Some say they need to be 5ft off the floor. No idea where that comes from. Six of mine are about 5 ft up, but two are right on the floor and when turned off and on (I have them on a remote switch) it is easy to hear they all make the same difference.  

So just get em. Then when you come back and post how awesome they are be sure to thank mahgister and roxy54, and whoever else was willing to endure the slings and arrows everyone with the temerity to act like an actual audiophile is subjected to around here.

Oh and guess what? In spite of the above I have a pretty good idea how they work. And I may even tell if you ask me, like Riddick said, "real sweet like."