SACD is VERY confusing


Seems there are thousands of folks out there buying and playing SACDs using coax or optical from a player to a DAC and thinking they are listening to the SACD layer and they are listening to the CD layer. I was assured the Denon DVD-2910,3910,5910 would play SACD through the digital outputs but on the back of the units they clearly state PMC from the digital outputs.....Seems the ONLY way to truly play a SACD is HDMI to HDMI.....Even stripping the audio off the HDMI signal returns it to PMC ..... And everything I've read states the analog outputs, stereo and 5.1 are PMC...

 

Oppo’s User Manual states: “Due to copyright restrictions, SACD audio cannot be sent through the coaxial or optical digital audio output. To listen to SACDs, please use the HDMI or analog audio connections.) IOW, with a DAC that is connected via coax or TOSLINK, you might be limited to playing the CD layer of a hybrid SACD.

I can't believe they would allow DSD files through analog outputs....Wouldn't this violate the whole copyright issue?

.....There are thousands of people out there buying SACDs and listening to them on their OPPO, Marantz or Denon ..."SACD" players, either through digital or analog and they are listening to the CD/44.1 layer.....This is nuts!

rbertalotto

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The whole SACD thing was developed mostly for 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound with HDMI equipped multi channel AV receivers. The designers never even thought about 2 channel HiFi....The audiophile community realized that there was huge potential for more "bits" than a standard Red Book CD....But unless you are willing to spend thousands, there is no way to really appreciate SACD....An Oppo CD player with an OppoMod board installed to extract i2s data and then a $5000 DAC to use the i2s stream......Easy Peasy!

You may or may not like him, but Paul from PS Audio sums it all up beatifully, in under 6 minutes!...

 

as any recording made from analog output is an analog, not digital, recording 

Exactly!...My point is lots of fo9lks think they are listening to pure DSD files.....But they are really listening to a cheap DAC chip in most cases if they are using RCA analog outputs. Some have suggested that the sound actually improves if using Coax output playing Red Book CD into a good DAC.....At 44.1

You are not far from the truth. But the convenience of a CD is pretty strong. And you can find new SACDs here and there pretty cheap. DSD downloads are expensive. And its a hobby….there is some fun in yhe HUNT for SACDs

I solved my SACD issue. As I stated in the original post, I had bought A Sony x700 with the goal of somehow using it to play SACD. Yup, it got real complicated and more than I wanted to grt into. I returned it and just bought a used Denon 2910 DVD player….highly regarded, still supported with parts and service and has a reasonable built in DAC to play SACD through analog outputs. It will be here in a couple days and Ill report back.

Are you sure the Denon doesn’t convert DSD to PCM?

I'm sure it does.....Not sure how else it could output a SACD. But at Higher resolution than Red Book?