Romex to your amp?


One of my good friends, a non-aphile, asked me an interesting question...
I was discussing with him why my new pc made a nice improvement in my SQ.
So he asked me this question:
Why not take the Romex all the way from the wall and connect it to the amp...instead of
using an after market pc? His logic was that the in-wall cable is Romex and therefore a straight run to the power amp would be better ( or at least as good) as a break at the wall plug and an after market pc to the amp. Does he have a point??
daveyf

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If we take this scenario one step further, and agree ( or not?) that Romex is the material/cable that is the limiting factor in the power supply SQ to our gear ( particularly our amps) then the question becomes how does a different kind of cable from the wall to the amp ( or other gear) better the sound of the cable in the wall. Maybe the answer is that it doesn’t actually better the limitation of the cable in the wall, but that the connectors to our after market cabling are what makes the only real difference....thoughts on this?


You’re warm.

For sure the wire in the wall is "a" limiting factor, but it is far from "the" limiting factor.

Be careful who you get your ideas from. Like "the connectors to our after market cabling are what makes the only real difference". That comes from DIY’ers who frankly haven’t a clue. Notice the guy who said that never said anything about comparing to professionally made PCs. They never do. I have long experience with this. They are so wrong it makes me laugh. Read through my posts for the stories of the 30 year DIYer and how hopelessly lost he is. I’m not in the mood to write it again.

Oh, and I tried it myself. Just to be clear I’m not just dissing, but telling it like it is.

The "answer" is that everything matters. The trick is to find the things that are cost and time effective and do as many of them as you have time and money to do. House wire matters, but winds up pretty low on down the list.

At this point I hope you are sitting down because I’m gonna tell you something so shocking you will find it near impossible to believe, considering its on Audiogon, Galaxy Central for parroting unfounded and unsupportable pontification. But its true: I know what I know not from reading but from doing.

My system first ran on a perfectly normal house circuit. You know, 120v romex, half a dozen outlets before the system, another few after, with a few light switches thrown in for good measure. I then replaced this with a normal "to code" circuit direct to the system. Then after that with a 120v circuit of 4 gauge direct. Then ripped that out, had it cryo’d and put back in. Then changed the 4 ga 120v to 240v, added an audiophile step-down transformer, and hardwired its output direct into my power conditioner.
This all happened over a period of years, assuring plenty of time to settle in and become familiar with the sound and be sure of what changed each time. Each step did indeed get better. Some like cryo were extremely cost effective- but also extremely the opposite in terms of time and difficulty. Live and learn. I write to inform and save others the trouble.

Okay, so like I said its everything. But not equally. The closer you get to the action the more it seems to matter.

Let that sink in. Go back and read my experience. Pause. Breathe. Let that sink in.

The closer you get to the action the more it seems to matter. Granted this is not a reason, its an observation. An observation that goes a long way towards answering your questions.

As to the real reason, here’s a hint: the wires bringing power to your system have a lot in common with the walls of your listening room.


dweller:
See thread titled: "wiring my house for sound" (started 3-14-2002)
My response:
03-15-2002 6:36pm "If you want to get extreme, hard wire your mains to whatever uses them. For example, cut off the male connector of what usually plugs into the wall and solder the wires directly to the leads coming out of the wall (have a pro electrician do this of course). 

My response: "If you say so." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilG8mzbHNNI

My 4 gauge dedicated line is soldered to about an inch of pure silver stranded wire that acts as a fuse and is in turn soldered to the panel bus bar. Oh, did I mention its 240v? So each leg same thing. Then at the other end just below the room its hardwired into a step down transformer with another hard wire coming out bringing 120V into the room, where it does not come out a receptacle, the wire continues directly into the power conditioner. 

A good SR receptacle and power cord would be a lot better than the romex. Also cost a lot more. So its a trade off, and I know it. But, extreme? "If you say so." Lol!
Yeah and romex is so good Synergistic Research uses it inside their $16k Powercell. Oh wait, what's that? They don't?

No of course they don't. Because its absolute nonsense.

Look, forget about power cords, UL BS and all, just think about the copper. What's the first thing you learn in Audiophile Wire 101? No not study hall, the class. Isn't it purity? Don't every single one of you know five nines copper is better than whatever crap goes in romex? Crystals, anyone? Impurities? Beuller???

Or what about the dielectric? (Insulation, for you class-cutters out there.) For sure all the big romex manufacturers have huge R&D departments chock full of people listening and double-blind testing and formulating all the best dielectrics. Oh wait, what's that? They don't? Well then at least they know which direction it runs? What? Not even that??

Why, its almost as if the only thing they care about then is being able to transmit current and not get too hot.

Romex is crap. It is however cheap. That is the reason its used.