Riddle me this...


Why is it that you cannot seem to purchase a lower-powered solid state amp any more? None of the “names” in solid state amps seem to make any reasonably priced or powered products at all, and most haven’t since about the early 90s. (A few come to mind right off, Levinson no. 29, Rowland Model 1, Krell KSA-80, the family of Pass Alephs). These days, the most modest offering from any of these companies (not to mention everyone else) is many times more expensive, in no small part due to the fact that they are all many times more powerful.

Question is, why? Why should I need 250wpc+ to drive any reasonably designed speaker? What is it about the industry that seems to be in a conspiracy (or, at least, conscious parallelism, for you antitrust geeks) to foist more and more power on the consuming public while, at the same time, doubling or tripling prices for their most modest gear? Why is it that, if I want a really nice amp at less than 100wpc, I have to either go with tubes or with gear that was made at least a decade ago? Why is it that most speakers made these days are either “tube friendly” or “require” an amp with enough power to light a small village to actually go?

Now, don’t get me wrong, I’ve got inefficient speakers and a 250wpc amp which I like the sound of just fine. It just strikes me as preposterous that I (and we, if I may speak for the market) seem to have been conditioned to believe that this is necessary. Why on Earth wouldn’t someone get a reasonably designed, efficient pair of speakers and, say, a Pass Aleph amp for a negligible fraction of ANYTHING built by Pass these days and never look back? I understand there are plenty of legit reasons why more power can be desirable (“never can have too much” yea, yea, I know), but am a bit miffed that, legit reasons or no, the market no longer seems to offer choices. We a bunch of suckers, or what? (Yea, a bit of a rant, but this has been bugging me -- am I the only one? Did I miss something? Can I get a witness?)
mezmo

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Brian Miller asked me to comment on this thread from the McIntosh perspective. We have made smaller 100 or 120 watt amps in the past. These were good amps but were slow sellers and have been discontinued. In the case of McIntosh the consumer likes a certain size amp and small ones are not it!
The type of music played and its dynamic range must be a consideration as far as what power is needed. Most music will only require one or two watts at a normal background listening level on average efficiency speakers. I really can not handle Britney Spears at more than 20 watts! If you are using a full symphony orchestra at a realistic playback level you may need hundreds of watts per channel on peaks. 10 times the power doubles the volume so you will run out of watts quickly. Most people are surprised when they use one of our large amps and see how much power they need on the watt meters. It depends on the speakers and how loudly one listens.
We do have consumers use our largest 1200 watt amps on very efficient horn loaded speakers. Why? Because they can I guess.
The challenge is to have a very high signal to noise ratio which our double balanced design will permit, in excess of 124Db. Unless the S/N ratio is high the music will be lost in the hiss.
The new high resolution formats require an increase in signal to noise ratio and higher power to cope with the additional dynamic range.
One solution to the problem is a way to monitor and limit the peak output of an amp which we do with our Power Guard circuit. This looks at the input and output waveform of the signal as it passes through the amp. If the signal starts to show a difference this lights an LED driven by a wave form comparator. The LED's light is received by an optically controlled volume control which will turn the volume down and back up in one 1000th of a second. This will limit the highest point of the peak but allow the amp to continue or be turned up farther. If the amp volume is increased all of the music will get louder except for the highest peaks. This will control overload distortion at the speed of light using light beams.
When an amp clips a burst of distortion is created and by its nature will be sent to the tweeter. This harmonic distortion will be many multiples of the original frequency and the speaker crossover will send it to the tweeter. We are seeing an increase of this type of tweeter failier due to DVD-A, SACD, 96/24 and other high dynamic range recordings since they use more power at same perceived listening level as the older more compressed sources.
A single dome tweeter is hard pressed to handle more than 100 watts. They can only move so far and can dissipate so much heat.
The answer to how much power is determined by the speaker efficiency, listening distance, type of music and the dynamic range of the recording. The definition of high fidelity is the accurate reproduction of the original wave form as it was recorded. For many recordings and cinema soundtracks this will require high powered amps.
Thank you,
Ron Cornelius,
McIntosh
Trelja,

We are committed to continuing new tube designs as the market for these products is strong. Our current amp is a slightly larger version of the MC275 using twice the output tube compliment, 8- KT88s. This amp, the MC2102 is designed by the same engineer who designed the MC275, MC 240, MC225, MC60, MC40,MI200, MI75, MC30, etc., Sid Corderman. The MC2102 is son of 275 with a typical output of around 120 watts per channel. We also have the advantage of much beater coupling and power supply caps, rectifiers, wiring and other parts compared to the past.
We also have modern performance analysis equipment which lets us build a beater amp. If you take one of the old Mc
amps from the Golden Years and install modern parts the old design will sound just about the same as one of our new designs. The difference will be in the signal to noise ratio.
Our most popular tube amp in the 60s was the MC240. Kind of like the three bears I guess the middle one was just right.
We are of course concerned about future tube availability and the KT88/6550 seems to be the most popular tube and is made by a variety of companies in many countries. To build a new design based on less popular tube models would be a risky proposition. The Mc customer keeps their amp for a long time.
These new tubes are approaching or equaling the quality of the benchmark 6550 Tungsol and GEC KT88s. For comparison purposes we tube trace and compare the new ones VS the old.
In some ways tube fans have never had it so good.
If we could get a steady supply of transmitting triodes we would build a son of MI200 but this does not look likely.
Everyone seems to agree the current C2200 pre amp and MC2102 amp combo sounds great. Now if we could scale this down from $11,000 retail in a more compact package obviously we would find a market. We hear your request.
From a value standpoint you can not beat picking up one of the old amps on the used market and rebuilding it with new caps, resistors, etc. Gold plated RCA plugs are good too. Who cares about the collectors! I am in the middle of a of a stereo Marantz One / Six pre amp restoration now. Let the solder fly.

Thanks again,
Ron Cornelius