@dill. My posts shouldn't be taken as an insult...just a difference of opinion. But....if the shoe fits.... |
"Why stop with the receptacles? Why not run $1000/ft power cable from the outlet all the way back to the breaker box? Then pay the power company to continue the run back to the distribution grid, and ultimately a dedicated line all the way back to the power generating station." " To the power station?" That's crazy! If upgraded power cords and receptacles make a difference then, of course, continuing the upgrade through the walls and to the breaker makes just as much sense. But continuing beyond that (to the power station) is just too expensive. Instead, to really squeeze that last remaining bit of audible performance (and bragging rights) out of your system, get a
Multiquip WhisperWatt Super-Silent Diesel Generator instead. It is on sale now for $51,000 and a steal considering what a dramatic improvement in transparency, sound stage and clarity it will make. |
Elizabeth...why should we try? I've done that with speaker wire and interconnects and found no difference over appropriate and inexpensive cables. Why waste more money on something that anyone really intelligent and logical would discern as a "gimmick." Besides, if I tried and reported no difference/improvement, you YaySayers would retort (incessantly) that my ears are out of whack or my system isn't good enough to "resolve" the improvement. |
Cleeds says: "Your mind is made up :
Yes...my mind is made up...because, among other attributes, I am intelligent and smart. And this difference of opinion is something you should want to be on this forum. It is what discussion is all about.
Yaysayers crack me up. You spend untold thousands of dollars on what you decide is a kickbutt audio system...and the more you spend the more you need to spend more on all the little gimmicks that others convince you will "Make an Improvement." And, of course, once you spend that all that on one gimmick (that almost always sounds better) the more you need the next one. That’s why you are getting close to replacing your home’s wiring and breaker. Holy Moly...after you do that, what is next? This: Spend even more money on a new system and start all over again.
Yaysayers seem to have no concept of the value of money and the value of products.
Sure...it is your money to spend as you want. And it is my privilege, on this forum, to continue to criticize what I see a poor advice to naive visitors to this site.
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Thank you guys ....... I will have my electrician see what he can do about moving the audio breakers or appliance breakers while he adds the new dedicated 20A line. So you are also suggesting the audio breakers be on the top of the leg and high current appliances below .....
This is exactly what I mean about people on this forum, who really do not know what they are talking about, giving out very questionable advice about "gimminks" and "tweaks" that can cost serious money and accomplish virtually nothing vis-a vis audio performance.
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My refrigerator is continually "burning-in." It amazes me that veggies continue to be crisper, the glass shelves have more transparency, white wine stays fresher longer and the volume of the interior seems to be getting larger. Hard to believe but it is true. I can see, smell, taste and feel the differences. Unfortunately I cannot hear a difference. Bet if I tried harder I could.
Burning-in!! The critical element in achieving maximum product performance! |
Strange how truth trumps subjectiveness. Thinking about burning in my electric toothbrush. Who knows what differences that might make. 😂 |
Still chuckling. Burn in....what a concept. Next thing you know people will convince you that pre-freezing your stuff before burning in will make it sound even better. How is it otherwise intelligent people (well some of them) find themselves so gullible as to believe these wives tales?
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Sorry, tatooman....those posts of mine are "tongue-in-cheek"...as in satirical. There is no proof that "burning-in doesn’t work; just as there is no proof that it does work. In high-end audio, what you think you hear is entirely subjective and powerfully influenced by what you WANT to hear (often called "expectation bias).
About the only thing I believe needs to be broken in are speakers - to loosen up tight new driver surrounds. There is absolutely no reason I know of to even think that you need a special receptacle much less need to "burn it in."
This camp (Audiogon) is composed mostly of people who want to believe that gimmicks, tweaks and tricks actually work. And they believe so strongly, their subconscious allows them to think they actually hear a difference. Again...expectation bias.
I’ve tried expensive speaker wire and interconnects and found them to be no better (except for cool looks) the good quality, inexpensive products.
There seems to be a rule here; if you spend a lot of money on something that seems strange, never confess that it doesn’t work and look the fool.
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The minute i put on my first cd the improvement in sound was very rewarding to my ears. The sound from my cdp was more dynamic, crisper, clearer, cleaner with very nice natural highs that are very revealing .
So, tattoman: How much did each of these receptacle kits cost total? And how is the world can a face-plate, that is not connected in any way electrically, do anything acoustically and be worth over $100? If it is the looks, I get that. But, otherwise..... |
Well it sounds like you are having fun with your hobby and I suspect there are other hobbies in which people spend gobs of money on tweeks that are of questionable value. I have no problem at all with hobbies and spending your money as you see fit. What I do have difficulty with (as I’ve mentioned before) are rave reviews (like yours) that tout a tweek as if a deaf person could hear the dramatic improvement. This, I think does a disservice to new, inexperienced readers of this forum.
If a "special" plug (OK....receptacle sounds better) did squeeze out any actual improvement, I submit it would be:
1. Very subtle (like with exotic cables, interconnects and power cords); not to the over-the-top degree to which you claim.
2. Nearly undetectable unless you could switch back and forth between plugs (probably electrically impossible) in an A/B type test. Audio memory, as I hope you know, is so perishable, it is almost impossible to remember the nuances of an audio track unless the transition is near instantaneously.
3. Expectation bias. The more you spend, the higher the expectation.
I’ve been into audio for a long time and never thought I see a day that good equipment would sound so lacking that you would have to spend $900.00 on a plug. But considering what cables have done, I should have suspected. Next? Pressure suits you can wear so that after you suck all the air out of your room you can listen in a vacuum?
BTW....not looking for a debate; just posting a counter-opinion for the record. Like with politics, no one is going to change their mind but we can influence those who have not yet reached an opinion. |
So...on the one hand we have an audiophile with an engineering degree in the science that is critical in the creation of the equipment we all love; who understands why and how electrical energy helps turn recorded media into beautiful music and is able to articulate his point clearly.
On the other hand...we have an audiophile whose apartment is filled with ultra-expensive AC plugs (many still "burning-in" via the refrigerator) whose credentials are merely the pair of ears we all possess.
You cannot eclipse reality by throwing a bunch of money at a receptical...no matter how badly you want it to work. |
You have been very polite, sleepwalker. And, in reply, you have today been called washed out, a clown, sad, pathetic and disgusting. A reply that includes personal attacks and sophomoric name calling immediately loses all credibility. Not sure why anyone on this forum needs to resort to that.
And, I agree with you. Readers of this forum have a right to be freely exposed to both sides of an issue without having to tolerate useless, demeaning banter. |
