rel with monoblocks


I would appreciate input of any owners of rel st series 2 owners who have monoblocks. I am considering upgrading to monoblocks of a yet to be determined type, but my rel studio 2 instructions say that to use it with monoblocks, you must use a rel for each channel. To me it seems that as long as the rel cable would reach both amps it should be no different than connecting it to the back of a stereo amp. Any thoughts?
bigsam2
I have a stadium II hooked up to two Cary Slam-100's and there's no problem. Some posters have said that two subs are better than one - and I have no reason to not believe them - but if you don't have sub set overly high and you're not sitting right next to it, low bass waves are remarkably non-directional and it won't sound like the lows are coming from the sub at all.
Start with one, see how you like it!
Sounds good. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking some special issue that the rels have, but it does makes sense that one can use it with monos. Thanks to all for your input.
I own a REL Studio II along with a pair of brand new Allnic M3000 Mono Block Amplifiers and was able to successfully hook them up to each other without any problems. The way I did it is as follows (and just to be clear, when I say right or left, I mean as you stand facing the speakers. So, "left speaker" means, as you face both speakers, it's the one to your left, etc.):

My speakers (Sonus Faber Electa Amator IIs) are approximately 9.5 feet from each other, with a fireplace in between them (any greater distance between your speakers and you will not be able to connect a single REL Studio II to your Mono Block amplifiers without a Speakon, High Gain Cable that's longer than 18 feet). That's because I do not believe in positioning a sub-woofer between speakers. It should always be behind either the left or right speaker; preferably the right one because in most orchestras, that's where the bass section is located.

Anyway, I placed each mono block on the fireplace hearth, just under 1.5 meters from each speaker's terminal connections. I then set the REL Studio II's right leading edge one foot behind the right speaker's cabinet and the center of the sub-woofer, 8.5 inches from the wall. To connect the sub to my mono blocks, I used an 18 foot Speakon High Level Input Balanced, (insert, twist and lock) Cable, most of which I was able to hide beneath a carpet.

At the other end of the 18 foot Speakon Cable, three, 36 inch wires with spade connectors emerge. They are red, yellow, and black.

You run the Speakon cable exactly between your two stereo speakers and then you take the red (positive) and black (negative) wires and connect them to the right Mono Block's positive and negative speaker terminals. Then you take the yellow wire and connect it to the left Mono Block's positive speaker terminal.

In this manner, you're integrating the REL Sub-woofer into the system's stereo signal. I have two (one left channel, one right channel) 7 meter Purist Audio Design Praesto Revision RCA Cables that run from my Allnic L3000 (formerly L4000) Pre-amplifier's right and left outputs to the left and right Allnic M3000 Mono Block Amplifiers' inputs.

Having the REL Studio II located behind and to the left of the right speaker gives me the very best integrated sub-woofer signal possible. I simply use the REL Studio II's Fine, Coarse, and Gain Controls to properly "dial in" the stereo signal coming from my mono block powered speakers.

Hope this helps. Let me know how you eventually hooked everything up.

Smw1950
To those that are now reading this old post, the issue with monoblock and dual mono amps is that the standard hook-up of the Rel subwoofers will result in combining the two channels of music (not just the bass) when connected the standard way (per Rel's stereo hook-up in the manual).

This means that if you loose the stereo performance of the speakers as the hook-up combines the two channels. It is amazing how many systems I have seen with Rel's where the owners have done this and do not know it is occuring.

This is the case with the hook-up instruactions immediately above (SMW1950) has the same signal now going to both speakers (whatever signal is just supposed to go to the left speaker has now been mingled with the signal to the right speaker and this combined signal is going to both speakers). So in actuality, he is running a pair of mono speakers with a sound stage that is always centered (outside of the impact of the subwoofer being off-center).

I have spoken to Rel (distributor) about this a few years ago. You really have three choices with the specified sub:
1: use a preamp out to the sub
2: connect the sub via the speak-on to only one channel (right is recommended)
3: run two subs, one connected to each amp or channel (in a dual mono designed amp).

I have run both 2 and 1 subs with various mono and dual mono amps (Levinson, Krell, BAT, Pass, etc. . . ). Many two channel systems do not allow you to make this determination (that the channels have been co-mingled). However, if you have a pre/pro, hook that up to your mono (dual mono) amps and go to set up the speaker sound settings and you will find this to be the case (for example, when just the right speaker is supposed to emit its tone, you will find the tone is also coming from the left speaker! and vice versa). Disconnect the sub's speakon cable and this will change and perform as it should (ie. just the sound will be coming from the right speaker).

Again, lots of systems with Rel subs set up incorrectly and the owners don't even know it!
This means that if you loose the stereo performance of the speakers as the hook-up combines the two channels. It is amazing how many systems I have seen with Rel's where the owners have done this and do not know it is occuring.

This is the case with the hook-up instruactions immediately above (SMW1950) has the same signal now going to both speakers (whatever signal is just supposed to go to the left speaker has now been mingled with the signal to the right speaker and this combined signal is going to both speakers). So in actuality, he is running a pair of mono speakers with a sound stage that is always centered (outside of the impact of the subwoofer being off-center).

This is simply incorrect. With the red wire connected to the Right amp + post, Yellow to the Left amp + post, and black connected to either L or R - post (or any other ground point in the system) it's not possible to combine L and R channels in your amp. I have mine connected this way and am positive I have not lost stereo out put from my speakers.

One qualification: Fully balanced amps can't necessarily be connected this way.