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Recommended receiver for HT

I plan to downsize from Bryston SP-3 processor and Parasound amps to a single receiver for HT. The speakers would be KEF T301 fronts; LS50s are side and rear; subs are pairs of Velodyne HGS-15s and HGS-10s with SMS-1 bass management. Sources are Cox TV, Ayre DX-5 DSD, and perhaps Oppo 205 or 105D. Stereo music is a separate setup. I’ve been out of the receiver market for decades, so I’m seeking recommendations for a used receiver at moderate cost.
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cleeds
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noble100
Let me get this straight. You have a system that’s capable of playback of music in stereo sound on deep bass and you’re still unable to name a single example of recorded music on any format that contains stereo deep bass below about 80-100 Hz ?
No, you don’t have it straight at all. I suggest you do a little homework, such as reviewing any of the real scientific literature on sound localization, e.g. Brughera and Dunai; or the work of Stevens & Newman, done w-a-y back in 1936. (That’s old, but the science is still valid.) There’s actually a lot of science on this, but you’ll have to get your head out of silly consumer magazines such as "Secrets of Home Theater" and the like.

You may also want to more carefully re-read what I’ve already posted on stereo bass.

This thread suggests that you suffer from illogic and compromised reading comprehension, so you’ll probably just continue to cling to your beliefs. Although you wrote "Case closed" what you really have is "Mind closed" and I can’t help you with that.

Have a Nice Day!
cleeds
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noble100
... you’re not making any sense. I don’t know exactly what’s wrong with you but you’re not actually giving examples or explanations that you think ... It’s as if you suffered a stroke and don’t yet realize your diminished cognitive and communication abilities or you’re under the influence of some substance ... you compound the nonsense by not even giving a single example or exception ... your lack of focus and direct cogent rebuttals is your continued lack of response ...
I don’t believe it’s worth the continued frustration of debating with you ...
I can’t help you with your compromised reading comprehension, your repeated illogic or your odd belief that your rambling and word salad somehow constitute a "debate."
You’ll save a boatload of wasted time searching for something that doesn’t exist if you’re able to accept the reality of all current recorded music on vinyl, cd and high resolution digital audio files lacking stereo deep bass.
There is very much such a thing as stereo bass. Because I have it, there’s no need for me to search for it. Have a nice day!
cleeds
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noble100
You've failed to provide any evidence supporting your claim that humans are able to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ...
You failed to read what I wrote. I cited a specific mechanism that's been shown to allow localizing low bass frequencies. Please read more carefully.
Your claim is in direct conflict with the scientific research results on this exact topic. Here's a link to one of many examples:
https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_basslocalization.php
According to your reference, "... as the frequency drops below a critical frequency - usually around 80 Hz - it becomes very difficult to determine a sound's location." That doesn't seem to support your claim that "We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ... below about 100 Hz ." Please read more carefully.
 You failed to reference or list any information supporting your claim ... You failed to provide any evidence to support your claim ...  You failed to name a single vinyl or cd recording that does not have the bass summed to mono below about 80-100 Hz ... I fail to see any purpose in your last post ... your claim that true stereo deep bass exists completely meaningless.
I need to show only one exception to your claim  ("We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ...  that are below about 100 Hz") to show that you're mistaken.
Even if your false claim was true and your system could playback true stereo deep bass, you'd have no true stereo deep bass recordings to play on your system and, therefore, true stereo bass, for all practical purposes, would not exist for you or anyone else whose system was also capable of playback of stereo deep bass.
That is begging the question, the logical fallacy of circular reasoning.
    I suggest it makes no sense to create one's audio system, or advise anyone else to create an audio system, that includes subs positioned and configured for stereo deep bass playback.
You can certainly assemble a very fine system using mono bass - I've heard it done. But that doesn't support the canard that LF can't be localized. And since you obviously have never heard proper stereo LF, your opinion that "it makes no sense" in itself, makes no sense.

 
cleeds
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noble100
We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves, that is determine where the sound is coming from, that are below about 100 Hz .
This is mistaken, and with the right system can easily be demonstrated.
there's no such thing as 'true stereo' deep bass and why the bass is summed to mono on frequencies below 100 Hz on all vinyl and cd recordings.
Bass below 100hZ is not summed to mono on all recordings. Not even close. And when it is summed for LP pressings, it's not because " there's no such thing as 'true stereo' deep bass."
If you doubt this, try to find a single vinyl or cd recording that is not summed to mono.
Done.
cleeds
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noble100
... there's no such thing as stereo bass below 100 Hz ...
That's a common misnomer and easily disproved, especially at frequencies as high as 100 hZ. But there can be stereo bass even at much lower frequencies, and that's because of phase.
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