Ready, set, comment! Speaker cables don’t make a difference?

Thanks. I see that the answer to my question about whether better equipment would make your system sound better is "yes."

Any better piece of gear will do better.... And they are plenty of pieces better than mine...

For example for my dac the Denafrips very high end will do....
For my Sansui AU 7700 the Berning ZOTL would be a bargain upgrade in ratio S.Q. /price...

For my speakers it is more difficult to pick one, but i will pick a Tannoy piece like i already own....I dont want to risk a frustration because my Mission Cyrus 781 are very good already...But a high end Tannoy will beat them with a more refine British sound...

But if i add all the cost of these upgrades around 12,000 bucks perhaps 15,000, the comparison with what i have already and what the upgrading effect will do, it is way too much money for the differences...A great difference is not a huge one.... I know what a huge difference is with my own gear BEFORE and AFTER my embeddings controls, especially the acoustical one... Acoustic is a HUGE factor....Exceeding any upgrade....This is the reason why boasting about ANY piece of gear is "naive" in audio....The gear are generally not the solution, the embeddings controls are....




I already have a piano or an orchestra filling my room.... Would i pay for an improvement which will be a real one, but not so much over what i already enjoy? NO.....

The important part of my answer is not this evidence that any well designed piece of gear could be better than mine but the fact that my embeddings controls give already to me a MINIMAL experience of the high end but also a very real flavor of the high end, this at peanuts cost........

I apologize for my lenghtly reply....I know that you dont like that.... 😊

I wish you the best there is and will be....

Are you saying something here only about your own feelings? Or are you saying that gear doesn’t matter? In other words, are you claiming that if someone gave you much better gear than what you have -- and you did all your embedding and listening, etc. with it -- it would not sound better? If that is true, than I find your ears less trustworthy than if you simply admit that everything, properly integrated, makes a difference. So, what is your opinion, please? Could better gear -- for you -- make a difference?

Thanks for the question...

It will make me able to clarify....

There are 2 parts to my answer...

-Subjectively, i dont want to upgrade at all. because of the real cost it will be.... Even just the speakers upgrade....

-Objectively for sure at least half of the systems in the "virtual system page section" are better than one, two, and three pieces of my gear..,.

I never boasted about my gear in itself, save to say that i love it, it is very good basic wise choices or lucky one....



I am proud of my homemade solutions for my OWN system, this are those solutions that cost me much time to create that are my precious endeavour, not the GEAR....Even if i was very lucky to own this specific gear....

For sure then ANY system will gain much with good vibration controls, with a minimal decrease of the electrical noise floor, and of passive materials treatment, or of my ACTIVATED room controls...

I discovered that and i am it seems the ONLY ONE here, saying that what is essential is not SO MUCH the gear, but the way we embed it...

Then subjectively, listening ANYTHING at any price, even better system than mine , dont give me the urge to upgrade at all...

Not only because i cannot upgrade moneywise, but especially because my system IS NO MORE WAY TOO FAR BEHIND anything i know of.....Thanks to my three working embeddings dimensions controls...Not bad for a 500 bucks system...Then even if almost anything costlier beat my system or could beat my system easily, the DISTANCE between these systems and mine is no more huge at all now like it was 2 years ago.... My ratio cost/S.Q.  is then optimal...

Especially with  my last control device which is the more powerful of my tool : Helmholtz mechanical equalizer, which idea is mine, and constitued by 30 tubes and pipes from 8 feet high to a straw lenght all around the speaker HEAD to the speaker TAIL  like a SNAKE body around my room....

To undersatand this sentence read my last posts about it in my virtual system page....


The most important piece of gear is NOT a 100,000 bucks pair of speakers but only a room dedicated to your audio system.... Nothing else...For sure i am not stupid and only stupid people will claim that 50 used speakers beat very costly one....My speakers are average but good thats all.... But it is all you need for a DECENT  audiophile  pleasure if your room is acoustically boosted and under control....no more frustration for upgrading...

Any well designed speakers and system will sound good in a controlled room...



This is all i boast about , NOT about my pieces of gear specifically  like most here, even if i love my dac, speakers and amplifier.... They sounded like shit anyway few years ago....Like most audio system in a non controlled environment....Why do you think most people here dream to upgrade?



I like to express myself paradoxically but sometimes the plain simple truth is veiled behind my expression....

In this post of mine of which you extracted my sentence i was answering mijostyn who speak ALWAYS about the impossibility to trust our own ears, which is the most stupid affirmation ever written in a an audio thread and in acoustic matter....The human ears created his own world which is the basis of neurophysiological acoustic and of audiophile experience...Then i felt the obligation to CONTRAST his opinion with mine....

By the way because i never boast about any miraculous gear nor about any costly miraculous "tweaks" for solution, but only about almost no cost and homemade solutions, my proposition seems too good to be true...But they cost me TIME....Listening experiments ask for time.... It takes me 2 years full time of listening.... You can spare money but not much the time, save if you know already how and what to do it will ask for months not years like me....

My best to you and thanks for the question...

petg60, that is exactly how people get sucker punched. The last thing you want to do is trust your ears. They will lead you astray all over the place.

If i had listen to your advice i will never had what i had now...

No electronic equalizer can help with a room complete control, only fine tune the speakers response to the room for a very limited narrow spot in millimeter....

It is way better using the ears to fine tune all the room FOR this specific speakers with your ears...A mechanical equalizer COST NOTHING at all...

If you measure my room you must measure also my ears to understand WHY the sound appear good to me.... I am not a microphone by the way....

My S.Q. is so good to me that any system at any cost does not give me the urge to upgrade.... Not so much the wrong way you claim it is is’n it?....

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i prefer advising people about a no cost product and a fun learning experiment than your way of selling a costly and not up to the task product....I prefer to sell creativity and trust in ourself than mistrust of the most important learning tool : our ears....

Throwing up room treatment without knowing what your room is actually doing is another extraordinary thing to do. Yes, you will change the sound in many instances making it worse

This last sentence from you is misleading...It takes time but anybody can correct and fine tune his room one step at a time.... The only cost is time... The time to learn... The time to have fun.... The time to reach the optimal result....

The important thing is the rewarding result at no cost and at the end no negative trade-off like with an electronic equalization that work for a mic and a very narrow set of test frequencies response... The ears/brain dont work with frequency but with a relatively large band set of frequencies called a human voice timbre....The ears/brain work with the first wavefront which is different for each ear, coming from different reflective surface at different time, the ears/brain does not work naturally with a tested frequency....

Very good video thanks...

He said and demonstrated something i already guessed with my own cables experiment....Without measurement tough... There is difference but very minute one...

The room controls is a way more huge upgrade and like me he said that at the end...

One thing he does not experimented with, like me, is with minerals modifying the response of the cables...

I use my "golden plate" with herkimer diamond to a better balancing of the cable between dark and bright... With success....I even verify with many other minerals with each time a different response in audible effect... I can even describe the effect i related myself to 5 or 6 different minerals...At the end i setlle for my golden plate and quartz or herkimer diamond...

Those too much sensible to unorthodox experiment of this kind may call that a "reinforced placebo effect" presenting itself each time with a different audible effect if i change the minerals.... I dont give a damn.... 😁😁😁😊😊😊😎

But after my experiments i decided to never upgrade my actual cables only to balance them my way....It is very economical and very satisfying...

As long as there are people who get sucked into spending ridiculous money on speaker cables this topic will survive and it is only one such topic in audiophilia.

As long that there will be "skeptic fad" shutting down their own ears in the name of their conception of "science", conflating the virtual snake oil price of cable in some case with their real different qualities; there will be thread were customers discussing their bad or good experiences will receive the useless " lessons" of these pseudo "sunday scientist" who will claim that cables made no differences at all ,which is false, instead of saying the truth: cables are way more too costly in many cases for the differences they made...

But all brains are not able to treat 2 flows of information flowing in opposite direction for sure....

It is "always the same topic in audiophilia" some are too enlightened from their interpretation of "science" to even experiment anything by themselves, anyway ears are very overestimated in music perception they say....They blind test themselves to know if their electronic  equalizer is working....

Is it not stupidity peaking?