Ready For Digital Source...Computer?


I have speakers and amplification all figured out, now I need a source. No vinyl and not concerned with CD's at this point.
Only steaming online. No Roon either, been there, done that. 

Honestly, (because I need a new computer anyway) I would really like to use a computer to play Spotify (hopefully CD-quality soon), Tidal, Qobuz, etc. but most say a computer is too "Noisy" to use for this purpose. Although, I have heard there are ways around this.

Rather than having to purchase a dedicated music server, does anyone know how to set up a computer as a high-quality music server? I can't really seem to find anything online.

Thanks






high-amp

Showing 7 responses by itsjustme

If you search, i have posted pages of posts on making digital good - its more than buying box(es).

You'll need both a server and a DAC.  What have you tried? what are your sound objectives?

You say "no Roon". Roon actually would be a srong suggestion of mine.  It wouldbe good to knwo your objection:  price i presume?  Certainyl not sound ( if done right).

I personally run Roon, on a dedicated server with a DIY LPS, to a raspberry Pi bridge with TWO DIY LPSes (one for the "dirty" RPi and one for the "clean USB I/F, isolated).  And into a DAC which cna generate tons of sunsubsantiated suggestions :-)  I have several - some ancient to whcih i have added USB and clocking, two new, mid priced, and punch way above their weight IMO.

You comment re: Spotify tells me sound may not be that high a priority.  There are so many better services out there. Like witgh cooking, you cannt make the best disjh from poor ingredients - and compressed music locks in mediocirty regardless of how much you spend later. 

Honestly, read up ont he chain.  Hans B is a good resource.

A MBP with bitperfect is a decent source sonically.  depending on the program you use to catalog and stream it can be weak or strong, but you want streaming anyway. I'm not sure how good/bad the native streaming clients are - warning I have seen some that are different animals on their own, and vastly btter in, say Roon.

 

The bifront multibit is decent.  No more IMO.  But you did say, honstly, mid-fi.  At what, $700 its ok but there are much better.  The non-multibit is weaker IMO.

 

 

itsjustme - $700 it’s ok but there are much better"

Suggestions, please?

OK, but remember that things are personal, i have not heard everything etc. I really try to avoid the superficial "buy this i like it". Using that logic we can deduce from this thread that aPC is both perfect and laughably bad. :-)

 

All that said, I’d listen to are the Denefrips Ares and -- if you can put up with a "kit car" and nonexistent customer service -- the Allo Revolution DAC with the USBridge and their Shanti linear Power supply.  The shanti both measures and sounds suprisingly good.

 

People also seem to like the Chord. I find it somewhat analytical which is not great for poor recordings/masterings of whcih there are many right in my sweet spot of superb classic rock....

 

I have heard many, many $2-4k DACs that are far worse. Listen! Spend some time and effort and get something you really enjoy. And spend more time on getting the basic right than listening to "this is awesome and that sucks". generally both are wrong, at least IME.

 

BTW, if you choose the Allo, its based on the ESS 9038 chip and therefore has transparent (no truncation errors) digital volume control.  No balance, but voluem contorl. For an all-digital system that has real advantages both in signal chain integrity and money

Haveing read and re-read the OP and many susequent posts, i admit its a little confusing.  But my read is OP is not unaware of computer/DAC methods and has tried some. Heck, if he's tried Roon he's way beyond ("you can use a PC as a source").

 

But the key question was 'are they too noisy?"

 

I saw a few answers that i simply have to correct.  First., yes ccomputers are noisy ask anyone who has tried to lay ou a PC circuit board or design an embedded system. The osciallators, chips and SMPSs all conribute to a lot of electtrical noise.

 

 

But inthe end, what do you think is behind that fancy faceplate with the 4 gold-plate machine screws and the engraved logo?  very likely a Raspberry Pi, likly in embedded form, or something similar.  Maybe a full- blown intel NUC or similar, like in a Nucleus.  It MUST be a computer, the onyl question is "what efforts did they take to reduce noise?".  Multipl power supplies, some linear; ground and power isolation; convection cooling, and nosie filters are all part of the game.

 

Youcna buy it or build it or make simple accomodations to minimize it.  I suggesteed some methods of separating the sournce (noisy) fromt he DAC (must be clean, accept the point folks, the "digital" signal into a DAC is quasi-analog, with the magnitude digitally coded and the x-position semi analog.  Its a cartesian system.. period.

 

 

So use ethernet (not wifi please) to a bridge (raspberry pi) and the problem mostyl disappears, IF you isolate the Pi's USB output with its own power - whcih might even be possible backward-powering it from the DAC.

 

When i began my jorney i sent SPDIF (issues!) to a vruy good DAC from the day.  When i ripped everythign ALAC to my MacBookPro and played it back with itunes and bitperfect, over USB, it was ALWAYS better. Maybe not much, but better.  So the idea that compuetrs cannot be used is simply false not only thoeretically btu in a crazy-resolvign system.  I always test with a panel, even if its a drunk panel.

 

Note: the MacBookPro sounded best on battery power.  Teh adapter added not onyl some potential hum (AC and ground noise) but deteriorated the sond - mostly the "black areas" (inter transient silence or decay).  So that's antoher data point that power and isolation matter.

 

In thoery a really god DAC with it sown power and USB isolation renders all this moot.  I hoep if done right that's true, and I'm heading down that path. But so far I'll note that small contributions remain that i cannot explain.  yet.

 

So take those points as input.  I still think Roon, for all is fauls and costs, has some real advantages not only as a multi-room and point of integration, but sonically (MQA unfold 1, DSP, excellent protocol, contorl ovr timing....)

 

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itsjustme - Having read and re-read your many susequent posts I find you are at another level, far above my undersatnding of computers. When I was using my MacBook Air via USB to DAC I thought it sounded great.

And it can, in fact sound pretty darn good. But a quieter USB signal will eb better since any ground noise there affects both jitter and the ground of the the DAC (depending in degree of isolation of course). Note i clearly thought my MBP/bitperfect was better as a source (same DAC) than a CDplayer.

I also thoroughly enjoyed using my Roon Nucleus (as a music server) to DAC via USB as well.

Roon Nucleus honestly ought to be very very good - caveat - assuming it has its own LPS. I am not sure. Its basically an Intel NUC with convection cooling, some isolation and a fancy box. I built my own starting with a NUC. Its was a PITA but i experimented and learned a lot.

It is others that suggest computers are "Noisy" so I was looking for others opinions on the mater.

Well, on an absolute scale, they are. but they can be fixed or isolated. And some dont seem to undersand that fancy servers ARE computers.

I just thought if I could remove one more box out of the audio loop (Roon Nucleus/Music Server) by hooking up my computer when I wanted to stream music. Along with that, avoid paying two mothly subscription, one for Roon and another for a music service.

Ah, yes. the Roon Tax. I think way back in the beginning i said i have a love/hate relationshipw ith Roon. Its nto cheap, tech support and document are awful, it integrates with only a few services, it does have bugs that they deny or ignore.... but to badly paraphrase Winston Churchill, its better than all the other options.

Feel free to PM me.  If you enjoy learing about this stuff, read my (terribly inconsistent and behind) blog.

@High-amp   if you are doign a remodeling, my advice is run LOTS of ethernet cables from a hub location. eventually you'll want it (much better than wifi).  It can be nice to create roon zones through the house.  I also ran a "home run" 20A circuit dedicated to a quad plugoutlet behind my equipment area.  Its also nice to put your roon server in one placeand the system elsewhere  - both mechanical and electrical isolation

'later