Questions about tubes and their subsitites


Hi all.

I use a Cary PH301 phono stage in my system. I have enjoyed this phono pre for many years. Been tube rolling lately as well as swapping various preamps and also some cartridge swapping, trying to find the best combination with what I have. The Cary PH301 uses 5 tubes, 12AU7 buffer, 2 12AX7 for MM and adds 2 12AU7's for MC. I use Sylvania Gold Pin 5751's in the AX7 spot, I have a Sylvania 5814 in the buffer spot (Cary suggests this replacement in the manual). Question one is why is a 5814 considered a replacement for 12AU7 when their values are so far apart? AU7's have gain of less than 20, 5814's are the same gain as 5751, at 70. Why are the 5814's considered to replace 12AU7? 5751 also is 70 but is considered to replace 12AX7, which is at 100. I don't quite understand the hows and whys of this. Any thoughts? Thanks,

Bill

billpete

Showing 3 responses by yogiboy

The gain factor of a 5814 and a 12AU7 are the same! Also the 5963 and the 6189 can be used in place of a 12AU7!!

The JAN-Philips 5814-A preamp tube type is equivalent to the common 12AU7 vacuum tube and European ECC82 tube. It can be used in any 12AU7 or ECC82 circuit.

I doubt that you would hurt anything. But just to make sure you should ask Cary if it is okay to do that. I swap preamp tubes in my phono preamp to lower the gain and I never had a problem. It never hurts to ask the manufacturer!!

 

I have used Sylvania /Baldwin green label tubes and they are outstanding. I am now using GE 12 type and 5751 tubes in all my gear and I won’t be replacing them. I like them a lot!