Question for Atma-sphere, will expensive power cables improve your amplifiers?


The reason I am asking is I feel manufacturers of high quality components include all that is ever needed, power cable wise. Sure, some people buy power cables because they need special lengths or have some out of the ordinary "noise" issues that need extra insulation. Some even like the visual aspect of the aftermarket cables. I’m just curious why many spend thousands of dollars on such when the manufacturer has taken the power cable into account when producing the product. I cannot see a High-quality audiophile component maker (especially some that sell volume) pass on a few dollars for a better sounding power cable if indeed the cable improved their product. I cannot see a person buying that $7000 amp is not going to balk if the product was introduced at  $7100 (with the better cable). 

I wonder if Luxman, Accuphase, McIntosh, Gryphon...you name it "dressed" their power cables up to look like expensive aftermarket cables, owners would be so quick to "upgrade"?

I’d be curious to hear Ralph’s opinion on the subject

aberyclark

Showing 7 responses by kevn

@atmasphere - based on what I have read from your posts and the exchange between you and jea48, would it be safe for me to summarise that you are of belief the primary and perhaps even only issue of the effect of a power cable on sound has to do with voltage drop across the cable and little else? Meaning, past a fairly low bar of voltage drop prevention, no amount of tinkering with the geometry, insulation, or detailed design of conductors in a power cable will change its effect on the sound from one’s speakers, everything else unchanged?
Or might you be of belief that there could yet be some things that we have not been able to measure about that last five feet of cable length, leaving some things still beyond full comprehension?
I do realise I’m trying to pin you down here, but it always helps in fully understanding a position as influential as yours in following future discussions on like topics, or any other audio related topics, for that matter.

Thanks much, Ralph : )

in friendship - kevin.

@soix it is for this reason my post has been phrased as a question and not a supposition - I am quite sure Ralph would be happy to speak for himself : )

 

in friendship - kevin

@atmasphere - thank you for your generous reply, Ralph : )
It has got me thinking of two more questions - your reference to bandwidth will obviously have to do with the bandwidth of the cable itself, since as you stated - ‘The bandwidth of the equipment used has nothing to do at all with whether or not the power cable will have an audible effect on it.’ This being the case, may I assume then, that aside from the measurable quantities of voltage drop and bandwidth of the cable, nothing else will have an effect on sound quality from power delivered by a power cable, everything else unchanged? And, how difficult is it to build a power cable with the greatest possible bandwidth? Thanks again for your kind replies.

 

In friendship - kevin

@devinplombier in truth, very very few manufacturers would bother getting into discussions such as this, which is a sad thing. My questions for Ralph may be putting him on the spot unintentionally, but it is so that I, and possibly others, may have another data point to learn from in making relationships with other posts that either involve Ralph or not. I suspect that so many posts in audigon are made to fault find or finger point, that defences and policing immediately spring to action if so much of a hint of curiosity is raised - this is all so silly.

ive found it is only when we are each called to task and have to unequivocally state what we think or believe, that true communication is achieved. It is not to shame or disqualify, that directness of communication exists, but for the reason of learning, which I also believe to be a primary reason for audiogon’s existence.

in friendship - kevin

@devinplombier ‘Around here, that's called bullying, and it is considered abuse. Just sayin smiley’ - and how well that sums up the state of the union, in relation to a simple search for directness and truth. Thank you for the measured way you have responded, in any case : )

@atmasphere - Ralph, if indeed your typical directness and straight-shooting still stands in this particular instance, I would still very much appreciate your response - thank you! 

In friendship - kevin

@atmasphere thank you so much for your clarity and continuation here, Ralph. I fully understand now - I usually trust my abilities to read between the lines but did not want to take a chance on your sense of things on this particular issue. : )

In friendship - kevin

@soix I felt I was being very nice to you the first time in response, but I must say now, you just have to stop letting your dogma curtail conversation between two other individuals. My question was to Ralph and not to you, over an issue he was perfectly capable of answering directly. If there was rudeness and bullying, and any forthcoming apology, it was and would be entirely from you. I am just so glad no one else chose to join you in this silly endeavour to police your sacred cow.

It would not be for me to say you don’t deserve friendship, but you will not receive any more responses from me to that obvious chip on your shoulder. Better still, perhaps you should be seeing someone about your problem.

kevin