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Put that in your pipe(s) and smoke it

I'll say it again: let's seek out the gem's and leave the rest, folks. Ignore the trolls, or be selective of the actual content they bring up - should you choose to reply; it may even hold an unexpected, worthwhile observation or two on a subject that could put into perspective our endeavors here.

More importantly, if we want this forum to allow for free speech and a degree of resilience, some around here should reconsider their liberal urge to hit the 'report' button, because that's the thing that truly annoys me and what I'd call the real trolls around here: the one's feeling offended on grounds I imagine to be so relative to their own agenda, indeed petty in nature, that their reporting a post or thread is likely to see no further inquiry by the admins and is therefore, simply by virtue of being a report alone, put into effect as an actual deletion.

We should be able to hold a conversation without someone feeling taken aback over what is, in the bigger scheme of things, insignificant issues. If not it's an ongoing, sad tendency to shut the mouths of those we don't agree with, or for some other flimsy reason don't like. 
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OP, agree about not reporting too frequently. Tolerance leaves the door open to creativity and letting people come back and clarify what they might have said badly the first time.

The norm I see you protecting is as follows: posts should stay on topic or explain the relevance of their tangent, unless things just drift away. E.g. a post on speaker connectors might drift toward types of wire, ways to hear differences, etc. When a comment harps on a topic (beats a dead horse) or injects inflammatory and irrelevant topics or vitriol, well, that seems to defy the purpose we're all here. It has nothing to do with "freedom of speech." It has to do with keeping the game fun and interesting.

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@mozartfan You're hearing footsteps? Are you sure they're not hoofbeats? 

@andysf  Loves me a good Søren quote! Here's one that perhaps relates to this thread's theme: 
"It belongs to the imperfection of everything human that man can only attain his desire by passing through its opposite." (1841)


 
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@ml8764ag If this thread is so worthless, why take any time to read it or comment upon it? If talking about trolling...is pretty much...trolling, then talking about talking about trolling is...more trolling.
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+1 djones51. The "free speech" business is an attempt to cut the OP's original topic short, which attempts to raise the question of norms or best practices. In the OP's view, stifling discussion with the "report" button doesn't allow for a sufficiently vigorous exchange of ideas.  That's a reasonable issue to discuss and debate, itself, but it's not in the arena of "free speech."

When kids get together for an informal game of soccer or touch football, one of the things which gets debated along the way is what the rules are and what the rules should be. It's rare for kids to say, "but that's illegal" in a formal sense -- because appealing to standards beyond the situation of their game is ridiculous. That, I take it, is your point, djones51.
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+1 djones51's point about the general point of this forum being respected.

One other things is relevant to his point, too -- it's really of value to our ability to get along as people to have a space where we keep politics *out*. I really would prefer to talk about audio with people and form bonds with them completely outside of politics. If, down the road, politics comes up (say, off the forum) any disagreements we might have will be more negotiable because we took the time to form friendly bonds about audio, first. Inject politics in the beginning and the chance for camaraderie diminishes dramatically.
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