Well that will not be too hard for you Stevemj. And we all know you don't want to over extend your limited resources. |
hey stevemj, it sounds more-n-more like yure one-o-dem that resides in the camp i mentioned that ewe ignored - ie: if it can't be measured then it doesn't exist. btw, craig ain't the only one who's pleased to know yure less-n-less innerested in accomplishing anything here, i'm sure... ;~) regards, dug seed in |
Sedond - Often the difference between the type of gear usually prefered around here (tube amps for example) can be measured. So there is no mystery, most people here prefer higher distortion. |
Most people here prefer what is more like music. |
stevemj, yure not serious, are ewe? it is also known that different types of distortion have different effects on the sound quality - some types of distortion are more benign than others. perhaps ewe should yust stick to radio-shack for yer wiring, & get their optimus electronics, which look yust fine on the spec-sheet. why bother w/spendy stuff - if it doesn't measure any better, then it surely can't sound any better... doug s. |
It seems like every six weeks or so some self proclaimed Wizard of Science from the Radio Shack Institute of Enlightened Electrons stumbles into the forums intent on saving us from our delusional pursuit of procuring "fancy" power cords, line conditioners or audio cables. Our irretrievably compulsive need to convince ourselves, and others, that we hear differences that we simply can not hear is absurd. Stop this practice immediately! Stevemj knows the way. He is trying to help us all and we have reduced him to babbling about submarines and birds and all kinds of other cool stuff!
Stevemj: I hear differences and I can't help it. I freely admit here and now that I am to far gone to be saved as I have given in to the dark side of power conditioners, power cords and cables. In fact, cables with arrows give me direction! Please don't worry about me. Just keep up your efforts to help the rest of these fine people here on this site. Regards to all; -Jerie |
The vitriol heaped upon stevemj tells me, more than anything else,that,far from having the open minds they proclaim to have, some audiophiles around here are quite closed minded. If your minds are open to hearing musically important differences when "science" and "reason" say they should not exist (and I'm fully in that camp with you), then you must also keep an open mind to the possibility that other factors and influences may sometimes contribute to your conclusions. As I read what stevemj has written, that's all he is saying. That you be critical thinkers. Don't we all aspire to that? Why is it so threatening? -Dan |
drubin, i hope yure not placing *me* in that category of close-minded audiophiles, cuz i fully agree w/yer definitions of open-mindedness. (but, yudging by the negative feedback i got from my prewious post, perhaps some folks *do* feel i'm a bit close-minded. oh well...). one of the reasons i like s'phile is, while they may have many faults, they do subjective reviewing w/extremely thorough measurements. i'm all *for* scientific inwestigation, it's yust that i won't dismiss out-of-hand something that has yet to be werified by measurements - isle use my ears & decide for myself. however, regarding your assessment of stevemj, i must humbly beg to disagree. he seems to be close-minded to sonic improvements that cannot be scientifically werified. in fact, regarding coating cd's w/a green edge, he even disputes this when there *is* some scientific evidence supporting its efficacy! personally, i gave up coating my cd's edges w/green, as it made no difference to *my* ears. but i don't dispute those who say they hear a difference. who knows, mebbe isle give it another whirl today - it *is* st. paddy's day... ;~) regards, doug s. |
Drubin: I don't believe threatening has anything to do with Stevemj posts and certainly no one must keep an open mind, though it would be nice for all concerned. Unfortunately, labeling people as "weakminded" or one's actions "insanity" is usually enough to provoke an attack and is certainly forth coming if you have little foundation within your argument. Moreover, unfortunately most people who advocate the use of standard power cords, interconnects and cables usually have NEVER TRIED anything else and rely solely on their science theory to carry the day.
As I've said before, you've got to get up pretty early in the morning to pull the wool over the ears of the member of this site. Science theory and a buck will get you a bus ride across town, but it tends to play like a broken CD here, wearing the patience and stretching the tolerance of normally good natured, openly caring individuals. Certainly, I believe Stevemj and everyone else who contributes to this site has the best intentions. Just remember that the road to Radio Shack is paved with the good intentions of statistically correct Optimus gear. Thanks to all for your patience. -Jerie |
Respectfully Drubin; go back and read Stevemj's thread on "Speaker Wire is it Science or Psychology?", posted 3/7/01. IMO it is pretty inflammatory right from the start. That's not the thread (and posts) of a person with an open mind, rather it is strongly espousing scientific dogma. He (Steve) asks us to explain our positions re selection of "wires" without using any technical terminology??? I agree with much of yours, Duggs, and Jerie's posts above. I want to have feet planted squarely in both the objective and subjective camps regarding "wires and music". Cheers. Craig. |
It should be pointed out that science never 'proves' anything. Scientists do not seek the truth, but rather an accurate model. Scientific measurements do not prove or disprove, they only support or do not support the model. |
The Devil DOES live! ...His name is Stevemj and when a BAD Audiogoner dies he’s sent to Radioshack ...There in the polyester pit of hell is Stevemj (clad in a green velvet tuxedeo and sporting SPL & multi-meters) plays nothing but baddly recorded CD's on one brand "rack" systems through 18 gauge zip cord - for ALL eternity! hehehehe |
Okay, maybe I gave the guy too much benefit of the doubt. And Doug, I certainly did not have you in mind. I do think there is sometimes too much knee-jerk, often hostile rejection of any challenges to our subjectivist observations. And I hate to see any Audiogon member ganged up on and ridiculed. That's the easy way out for the insecure and closed-minded. (Again, not singling anyone out in particular). Dan. |
hey, drubin, no problem about me worrying about whether or not ewe were placing me in *that* category - i was asking it in more of a rhetorical fashion - i'm pretty secure in where i stand on the subjective vs objective issue - feet firmly planted in *both* camps! ;~) regards, doug s. |
i asked before, & ewe dint respond, so i will try again: WHY DIDJA DELETE PAUL MCGOWAN'S POST REFERENCING PROBLEMS PS-AUDIO HAS BEEN HAVING W/THE ULTIMATE OUTLET??? this was useful info, who cares if he *is* the owner of the company - ackshully, it makes the info all the more useful!!! perhaps some of your power-conditioner-selling adwertisers complained??? dug seed in |
Hey Doug, what where the problems they deleted? If you would e-mail me the response if A'gon won't let you post it. PS-300 is likely in my future, but I really want to protect the amp. If PS is fixing this I would like to try it as it is not that expensive. Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. |
hi no-money, dunno if a-gon won't let me post - le'see if this gets deleted...;~) basically, paul admitted there were problems, & ewe should contact him if ya have one... |
Thanks Sedond, no deletion yet ! |
FYI, on the ps-audio chat-room in Audio-asylum Paul says they are coming out with a 20 amp version which they recommend for 200 watt+ amps. Should be better for the dynamics. |
