Preamp for Aesthetix / Atma-sphere


Hi

I have the Aesthetix Io Eclipse with volume and dual power supplies, Atma-sphere MA-1 monoblocs (140 watts) and Audiokinesis Dream Maker (93 db sensitive) speakers. These are great components. My question is about system synergy, how to make them play together.

I have been running the Io direct to my amps since I first bought the Mk2 version back in 2004. At the time, I had a Krell FPB600, and in that context, it was a blessing, and a great step up from the Krell KAV 250p preamp. I'll never forget my first impression with the Io - it was like going from the wooded hills up into the mountains. There was no going back.

With volume, the Io functions as a preamp. It looks like a preamp. Someone here on A-gon said going direct is best - which I interpreted as: it IS a preamp! So I thought, OK I have a combined phono and preamp - problem fixed. But it wasn't.

From recent testing I have finally become convinced that the Io does benefit from a separarate preamp. Even if clarity and detail is better going direct from the Io to the amps, the punch and "here-ness" of the music is clearly better with a preamp in the chain, at least in my system.

Trouble is, which preamp? I am testing a small solid state Musical Innovation preamp, which helps with the punch but veils the music. An optimal solution might be the Aesthetix Callisto, preferably with dual power - but I don't have the space, and I already have a lot of tubes and tube heat. I have space for one or possibly two boxes.

From what I have heard so far, a solid state might do the job well (in my tube-rich context), however it should not impart any s-state artifacts or reduce the resolution from the Io Eclipse.

The ideal would be to test a few tube and s-state preamps, and then decide. However, this is difficult where I live, so advice is welcome.

My question relates to my own setup of course, but is relevant for everyone with a top phono stage on the one hand and amps on the other. What is best in the middle?

From recent testing I have learned that problems that I thought were related to the speakers, the phono pre, the pickup and so on, were in fact related to the preamp issue. For example, the Dream Makers straight from the Io may sound a bit lazy and washed out in the bass, very clear in mid and treble but not fully embodied. Plugging in the solid state pre, the situation becomes dramatically different, now the speakers are driving, propulsive. Very enjoyable, but some detail is lost and some transistor things added that I don't want.

So I am looking for a solution with most of the plusses, and not much of the minuses. The preamp must be fully balanced with XLR in / out.
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o_holter

Showing 8 responses by charles1dad

I agree with Albert and Rushton, try a high quality tube line stage. I believe that this is the path to the realism and natural sound you're seeking. The two models suggested should be excellent in your current system.
Best of luck.
Charles,
Congratulations on your much improved sound performance! A high quality active preamp again demonstrating their value in obtaining improved enjoyment, music reproduction and emotional connection.IMO they are essential.
Charles,
"The whole thing feels right, bass, vocal and everything is more filled out everything working better together". Based on that description it seems that the preamp is providing "more" not less information. The direct route appears to be omitting significant vital details of your recording. The Einstein is presenting the more complete music signal.
Charles,
Hi O holter,
What i took from your comparision was the Einstein was providing sonic information that the IO alone did not. Those specific qualities you attribiute to the Einstein's insertion were benetficial(necessary?) to draw more emotion and communication. You weren't getting this(or at least not as much) with the IO running solo to your amplifier.

Based on your description The Einstein is doing " something" very right and desireable. It seems to mimic more closely what one would experience in a live setting. If the IO is more resolved and detailed then why does it not retrieve/convey the vital qualities(information) as the Einstein does? Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you wrote, it seems the Einstein is giving you more music.Do you make a distinction between "detail" and musical information?
thanks,
Charles,
Hi,
I've heard my friend's (Jwm, see his system page) IO Eclipse with the dual power supply version often. To be clear, I wasn't trying to be argumentative at all and I enjoy reading your thread comments. Reading what you've written it just seemed as though the IO was omitting important characteristics that the Einstein revealed(and this got your attention). It was only my interpretation based on you comparative comments and nothing more. I'm sure that your system sounds terrific.
Charles,
Hi O holter,
I can appreciate your audio evolution, I once had a Symphonic Line SS amplifier and it was pretty decent. My present SET based system is honestly two levels above and beyond in terms of enjoyment,realism, true musical emotion and involvement. I believe that you've moved in a better direction and are very happy with your outcome . congratulations!
Charles,
I believe that you're doing fine with the Einstein and tube rolling options. I'd be surprised if you preferred the Ayre to what you have now. You're on a good path with your current direction. If you can directly compare these two, go for it. My bet would be that you'll keep the Einstein.
Charles,
O_holter,
You're absolutely right! As my system has evolved over time, the more immersed in the sheer joy of music I became. The hifi/audiophile concerns withered significantly. That's why I feel that you're doing it right with your recent choices. Superior components will undoubtedly "connect" you emotionally towards the pure pleasure of the music you love.
Charles,