preamp


I am looking to seek some guidance from  'experienced gurus' in this forum. I presently have a Tube mono blocks 'Auris Forte 150' it's from Serbia by Auris Audio paired with Tube( hybrid) preamp unicorn pre by unison research and speakers are Focal sopra N3. Sonically not fully satisfied. I am sure by replacing the preamp with a appropriate one I will achieve the 'highs ' and 'mids'.I want to replace the preamp and torn between 
- Mcintosh C2600
- Audio research LS28
- VTL 5.5 iii.
I even came across  chinese brand Cayin M11LS  tube preamp. In the used market I looked at the McIntosh C1100 for about 60% of the retail. Bit over my budget.
All theses are in the same price range $7500 USD.  I have never paid a full retail price on any of my equipment. Probably  Mac I could get the best discount . I am not able to try any on these at home with my system. Even if I listen to these preamps they are set up with differently  at the stores. 
Appreciate  fellow members  thoughts.
vishu

Showing 3 responses by georgehifi


Many that know, that this amp the OP is using, as good as it is, has no chance of driving the 2ohm EPDR load that these speakers present in the bass. And the Stereophile measurements and JA’s quotes prove it!

Your pushing your own balanced preamp agenda by asking the OP
"Do you know if its internally balanced or is the XLR connection just there for convenience?"
It won't help his problem one iota. Just too obvious.
vishu OP

Like I said the amp and speakers are both individually fine pieces of equipment just not together.

As John Atkinson said in Stereophile when he measured the Sopra's, your going to need an amp with far more current than what your have to drive the bass properly, this will completely change the tonal balance, control and quality your hearing, to one that the speaker manufacturer intended you to hear.

 Your just going to go round in circles unless you tackle the root of the problem, throwing money away at things like preamps balanced or otherwise ect is just a big furphy and waist of money, and will not fix your root problem.

Cheers George 
vishu
Focal sopra N3. Sonically not fully satisfied.

It’s not the preamp that’s the problem. It’s a great amp the Auris Forte 150 tube amp, unfortunately it’s with the wrong speaker, which btw is also a great speaker but with the wrong amp..

These Focal’s of yours are a very good speaker, and though quite efficient at 89db and can work with amps of just 50watts they need to have very good current to get the best from the bass.
https://www.stereophile.com/images/417FSop3fig1.jpg
fig.1 shows, the Sopra No.3 is a difficult load for an amplifier to drive, with a minimum magnitude of 2.75 ohms at 96Hz and a combination of 4 ohms and a –56° electrical phase angle at 68Hz, both frequencies where music can have high levels of energy. Because the magnitude is considerably higher in the treble, the speaker will sound brighter when driven by tubed amplifiers
You need an amp that is >50w into 8ohm and can come "close" to doubling that 100w into 4ohm and again 200w into 2ohm to get the very best out of these Focal Sopra 3’s.
That means solid state amp or a big tube amp with low output impedance that has a 2ohm speaker tap.
As that minimum impedance and - phase angle the Sopra’s have in the bass, can look like a 2ohm epdr load to the amp.

Cheers George