Power amps into surge protector/Conditioner or DIRECT to wall? Final verdict?


Just curious. I've heard for years not to plug amp into a surge protection evice. Does this apply to a preamp as well? Are the component fuses enough? Do affordable surge protection/conditioners exist that do not effect sound quality? 
Some of the mid line Furman studio units look nice. Plus you have the SurgeX/Brick devices that look like real winners. However, I'm not wanting any sound quality issues. BUT, I don't want my equipment destroyed as well. 

Thoughts please
aberyclark

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First point, DO NOT CLICK erik_squires affiliate links, after he has fed you untrue information!

If you are interested in the Furman PST-8 that he promotes, this is the only link to use AFTER clearing your internet browser of cookies:

https://www.amazon.com/Furman-Aluminum-8-Outlet-Protection-Conditioning/dp/B000YYVLAK

If you don't know what an affiliate link is, or how it profits erik_squires to feed you lies, read the following post:

https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1820850

Secondly, Furman SMP is NOT real series mode surge technology!

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/furman-smp-is-not-real-series-mode-surge-technology

Furman does not license series mode surge technology. They were sued by Zero Surge - the originators and license owner of the series mode technology patent - and lost. Furman was forced to call their technology SMP (Series Multi-Stage Protection), which still uses MOVs.

Real series mode surge protection does not use MOVs, because MOVs degrade with surges. This is the whole reason series mode surge technology was invented, to avoid the use of MOVs.
erik_squires:

Right. So the SMP is always on, there’s no activation lag. It also provides relatively low over-voltage protection. These may not be surges, but long lasting events. This can happen if your electric provider doesn’t balance the loads right.

This is not true! The part of SMP that is series mode surge technology is always on. However, this section is more limited in its capabilities with let-through voltages, compared to real series mode surge technology. The MOVs and EVS (Extreme Voltage Shutdown), other parts that makeup SMP (Series MULTI-STAGE Protection), have a delay before kicking in.
@atdavid

I applaud that you’re actually doing research, but it is half-hearted and incomplete research, and you’re mistaken.

Please show me the US Trademark for series mode, or where any of the real series mode surge technology manufacturers use the trademark symbol after series mode.

There are two current patents that protect series mode technology. If you bothered to read through my posts here and the linked thread, you would see why you’re wrong.

MOVs are sacrificial devices, and the point of series mode surge technology is to be non-sacrificial surge protection.
@atduffid

1) I will admit they use it ONCE. It is not in the US trademark registry, so I’m unsure that it is still officially registered.

2) One of the patents still covers the original concept. Patents can expire. The series mode surge technology patent states, "Provides an inductor system as the first means of protection." Furman’s SMP uses a MOV as the first means of protection.

3A) Through the use of capacitors and resistors, a series mode product releases current back to the neutral wire. This actually provides a sort of passive power factor correction. Depending on the power conditions and the load, greater power could be provided. Plus, no one said you have to plug an amplifier into it.

3B) "Power line surges within a building may be as large as 6,000 Volts, 3,000 Amperes, with a duration of 50 microseconds, according to the industry standard ANSI C62.41."

"•IEEE (The Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) states that 6000V is the largest transient that the interior of a building would experience.
•IEEE defines its harshest interior surge environment as one that could experience 100 surges of 6000V, 3000A in a years time (category B3).
•A new federal guideline recommends that a surge protector utilized in a harsh environment should be capable of withstanding 1000 surges of 6000V, 3000A or ten years worth of IEEE’s category B3.
•UL (Underwriters Laboratories) now provides a new adjunct testing service (in addition to the 1449 safety classification) that will test surge protectors to the 1000 surge, 6000V, 3000A federal protocol."

Real series mode surge protectors are the only devices rated with the A-1-1 certification.

"A-1-1 Certification
The U.S. Government’s highest classification for surge suppression."

"•Grade A is the best endurance – 1,000 surges of 6,000 Volts / 3,000 Amps with no degradation.
•Class 1 specifies the best voltage suppression of 330 Volts peak for 6,000 Volts / 3,000 Amps surges.
•Mode 1 is Line to Neutral (L-N) suppression. This avoids ground wire contamination and is recommended for interconnected equipment."

Adding a sacrificial MOV is superfluous to real series mode surge technology. Furman only added them to make up for the tiny inductor used in their SMP circuit, which makes it a design flaw.

4) Why would I apologize? Furman still lost, and your argument is a red herring. Furman’s SMP is not real Series Mode® surge technology. From your earlier referenced material:

"The Problem"

"He quickly discovered that the electricity in their facility was unreliable and that the surge suppressor and uninterruptible power supply being used did little to rectify the flaw. He learned that the basis of the protection being used was a metal oxide varistor (MOV), an inexpensive component which will eventually fail in normal service. The MOVs allowed excessive let-through surge energy to the connected equipment, degraded over time, offered poor electronic noise filtration, and shunted surge energy to the ground creating safety ground wire contamination."

"The Solution

To resolve the problem, he took on the challenge to reinvent the surge suppressor by developing a Series  Mode® protection circuit which could safeguard against standard and worst-case electrical anomalies."

"It did not incorporate MOVs or sacrificial components of any kind, effectively guaranteeing an unlimited service life without the requirement for testing and/or periodic maintenance. The scientists adopted the Series Mode technology and they quickly discovered it solved their troubles."

"Introduction to the AV Industry

A friend of the engineer who worked in the AV industry, and an engineer himself, was intrigued by the technology. He knew inconsistent power quality was an issue in the industry and that the current surge suppression technology being used incorporated MOVs that shunted energy to the ground. He also recognized that the act of shunting the surge to ground pollutes the ground with energy that often enters the sound or video system. This was causing equipment disruption, malfunctions, error-codes, reboots, and downtime that degraded performance and increased dealer costs. The Series Mode surge protection technology looked like the perfect solution to alleviate these issues because it overcame all the limitations of MOV shunt-mode devices – it did not have a finite lifetime, its performance did not degrade with time, and it did not pollute the ground."