Please tutor me on some integrated amp basics.


I’ve recently purchased Magico A3 speakers and a VPI Classic 2 SE turntable with an Ortofon Black 2M moving magnet cartridge. I have a Marantz SA 8005 CD/SACD player to play the few (maybe a hundred or so) CD’s in my possession.
I’ve mostly vinyl albums and no streaming sources. I’m next going to upgrade my old amp/preamp purchased back in the late 70’s with a new, probably integrated, one and am starting to do some research.

Here’s where I need some tutoring. A lot has changed since the seventies with the advent of digital technology. As well as I need to learn more about amplification components in the high end of audio technology. I keep running across terms I don’t understand. I’ll give you a list and if someone would be kind enough to explain these basics I’d be obliged.

For instance I was reading about the Hegel H360 integrated amp that Magico’s Alon Wolf recommended for their A3’s. The review mentioned they were a Class A/B amp, another person commented Class A’s were better, and a third person said he didn’t care for Class D amps. What do these classes signify? 

A second question is about DACs. I generally understand their purpose of the DAC, converting a digital to an analog signal. However my only digital device, the Marantz SA 8005 already has a DAC, ostensibly of good quality. The turntable ’s Ortofon cartridge would not need to play through a DAC, I presume. Would I bypass the CD’s players DAC if I purchase the higher quality Hegel H360 integrated amp?. Or could I find an equivalent integrated amp without an integral DAC?

On the other side of the equation I understand the turntable’s cartridge cannot play through the Hegel without first going through a phono stage. My old Phase Linear 4000 preamp you just plugged the turntables RCA cables into the back of the preamp and you were done. What’s that about? Do they make equivalent integrated amps to the Hegel H360 with integrated phono stages already in place, so I can just plug my turntable in as I’ve been able to do before. The amps don’t seem to be well integrated at all if you have to add a pricey phono stage to make them work, and end up having an extra DAC. That’s just me whining.

Third question is what are monoblocks, how are they used, and what are their advantages to a system? They were used at one of my speaker auditions.

I figured out the answer to what amplifier damping was myself, so I’m sparing you that one, but what does the term impedance mean? I keep coming across that.

Thank goodness I don’t have to figure out the cabling nightmare yet. Thanks for any help.

Mike
skyscraper

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This is a not an answer to your question but some info I gathered with the Magico A3. A long story short, after some time demoing the A3 and then doing more research on amplification I have decided to get the Magico A3 powered by the Mark Levinson 585 integrated. This is an excellent fatigue free combo. The 585 also has a built-in DAC that sounded rather nice to my ears.

There are is a 585 and 585.5 available on A’Gon. I am buying mine from the dealer since he introduced me to this integrated. If he had not and I knew about the synergy with the A3 I would get one of the units on A’Gon. The A3 require some power so I choose the ML 585 over the Luxman 509x integrated (without built-in DAC).

The A3 runs at 4 Ohms and the ML 585 can output 390 watts at 4 Ohms, The Luxman is around 220 at 4 Ohms.

BTW - That Luxman 509x may also be something to consider. A used unit available on A’Gon. It has built in phono for your record player. The 585.5 has phono but is more expensive. I do not need phono.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis95d54-luxman-l-509x-integrated-solid-state

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9572e-mark-levinson-585-5-new-model-585-5-not-585-price-lowered...

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9603g-mark-levinson-no-585-solid-state (no phono)



@skyscrapper  Make sure whatever you choose the amp section of the integrated  has enough power for the A3. These speakers require power.
@skyscrapper  send me a direct message if you want to walk with me on the A3. I am buying this myself and have figured out what the best power options 1, 2, 3, 4 etc are for them (my opinion). Some of these posts can get you confused.
@skyscraper Some lucky person bought the ML 585 I have mentioned a few times so that item is no longer listed. It was listed at $6400 used. Now the more recent links I have posted are for the new ML 5000 series integrated that have slightly less power than the 585. They will not be released until Q1 2019, but the MSRP is 7000-8500. Not sure people pay MSRP on these.

I only keep repeating my self on the A3 + ML combo because it is really some poerful, smooth, and FATIGUE free sound coming from that 
@austinbob I saw you had previously commented favorably on the Luxman integrated sound. I was going to get the Mark Levinson 585 for the Magico A3 (great fatigue free sound). However, that system will have to wait due to space issues. The office room I ended up with is only 10Wx12Lx9H and I do not want to put an A3 in there, instead I will get the KEF Reference 1.

I am now considering the following integrateds: Micromega (with MARS), Lyngdorf, and the Luxman 509x (with tone controls). Would you say the Lyngdorf is comparable to the Luxman sound (with tone controls for room adjustment)? If you were given a gift between the two units which would you choose?

This question is slightly divergent from this thread, If annoying I will create a new thread.