Planars/ Electrostats benefits over box speakers?

When my system isn't knocking my sox off, I check the phase and sure enough, house keeper cleaned the buttons on the remote again. ts like a speaker is wired backwards (lol). Sucks the life out of the presentation.

I have never heard anything like ESL's myself. I feel you have to spend 6 figures for a box speaker to get the sound I get from $8k stats. It costs alot of money to get that cabinet out of the way. And alot of technology.

Mapman - do you hear the calluses on a guitar players fingers running up a steel string, the turning of sheet music or creaking of Bella Dovadivich's chair on those $1,000 walsh speakers? Buddy Guy exhaling on Done Got Old?If you can, boy have I wasted money!

An agenda, other than sharing my thoughts on this hobby? wow...

on tunes, try buddy guy, done got old. You should hear his breath like he is hanging on your shoulder. You should feel the emotion coming over your shoulder lke a sledge hammer. My system is incrdedibly resolving. I had a pair of ohms back in 1982-84. Thy spent a year as front speakers, being relegatded to the rear channels shortly there after. Not a bad speaker but truly no where near the resolution of my stats.

Mattmiller, a box speaker still needs to be a certain size to do that. Regardless of the electrinics you throw at them, the Magico Mini II is one speaker that was never able to vertically fill a soundstage. The smaller YG's fill more with more power, but they get maxed out height wise very quickly. I think room accounstics and treatment actually help more than the electronics, one you get to having enough power and no impedence mismatching (and don't forget phase - can't believe how many systems are out of phase).

Zd, I did not (mean to) suggest your system is out of phase. Just an alert to others. I agree some what on small sounding speakers but disagree that the speaker is the final abritrator - the room is. We actually don't even hear the spreaker (well, your not supposed to, and thats how it is in my system); You can put the same speakers in rooms with different height ceilings and you will see what I mean; you can put RPG diffusers on the ceilings (and floors if youre careful) and you will hear soundstage height double on many rigs.

Zd - you do not hear any sound coming from my speakers in my room. The soundstage just floats.

If a rig is set up properly, you should not hear any music coming from the speakers (sitting in the sweet spot). They need to dissappear. If they don't, youre not done.

Zd542. I sense your frustration. No worries. There are alot of us here on agon with great systems that are set up properly that can guide you along your journey to better sound. Remember, those speakers frame the sound stage. The sounds comes from between them and along side them, but not from them. Feel free to PM me. I enjoy helping those less fortunate than myself.

Happy Listening!