Orthomead, I have two E+ mats under each mono block amp, two on top of my CD player, two on top of my transformer. Original mats are under Maggie speakers. The E+ mats work well anywhere, but it is said they work better around higher currents.
Doubling them up! I have an interesting story about that. When I first got my E-Mats I was excited and in a hurry. Opened the package, sat them down on the closest handy surface- one of my rear subs. Still in the silver packaging. Put some music on and was not expecting anything because after all they are way off in the back corner and still inside the package. Even so the music was a little better. But then some low bass came in and WHAM holy crap WTF!?! How the....? Well unlikely as it sounds it had to be the E-Mats so I got up and moved them and sure enough. Now there's just no way all that bass came from just that one sub. Because I have added and removed just one sub, and even two, and not heard anything like that much difference. So for sure they are additive, and they definitely do work at a distance. |
So I subscribe the notion that tweaks are not always necessary. Right. But then music itself is not always necessary.Tweaks only become necessary when the goal is the very best sound possible for the money. In that case its easy to demonstrate and prove the right tweaks are much more cost effective than a component upgrade. I have
many tweaks to address power and some acoustical deficiencies in my
system which does not have SOTA components but relatively good ones. As
one poster previously stated, better (and usually cheaper) to work with
the equipment one has and tweak it to its best sound. Right. To which I would add: always better, always cheaper. Because, let us assume for the sake of argument someone has the most superb system in the world. All the latest greatest everything. Spared no expense. Five mill, not counting the architect. Whatever. Does it have Cones? No? So for $60 it gets even better. Does it have an Orange Fuse? No? So for $160 it gets even better. Does it have HFT? No?On and on. Before you know it we have made the world's best five million dollars stereo sound so much better you can't believe it, and for less than a rounding error in the price.Tweaks rule. |
Oh yeah, it totally adds up. Been comparing and experimenting with stuff like this since the early 90's. The undisputed value champ for most of that time was Black Diamond Racing Cones. To this day I have BDR under every single thing in my system. $300 will buy Cones for 5 components, pretty much a whole system, and make a huge improvement. But as great as this will be its nothing compared to what $300 of Total Contact will do.
Nothing is ever perfect. The range of sonic traits is so vast, and the really good stuff is so good, that its tempting to just say across the board and call it good. Which I have done myself, a lot. Knowing full well that across the board is never perfectly evenly across the board. Usually, by intent or otherwise, its the top end and leading edges that tend to get hyped, resulting in the dreaded hi-fi sound. Even my most admired stuff, Synergistic, BDR, whatever, is in that same boat just not nearly to the extent of most other stuff. Not at all. So much so that until now I never even would have thought to say this.
What Tim has developed though, and what Krissy is carrying on with, is on another level. There is none of the edge so common everywhere else. Yet neither is there any softness. There is only music.
And the more you use, the more music you get.
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I don't doubt it, not for one second. I'm sure nobody believes me, but there really is a system here in Seattle at Definitive, an insane $1.3M that is just what you said, cannot match the intimate musically natural sound I'm getting now.
Its not just Perfect Path of course. Synergistic HFT, ECT, PHT and Fuses, BDR Cones, there's a lot going on and every bit of it helps. Frankly all of it very similar in terms of effect. But TC and Perfect Path in general really is the best of the best.
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That's like 110 pins to paste! Wow! I'm thinking of where to use the remaining 0.3ml and its down to coating things like tubes and the insides of outlets, component covers, stuff like that. Ideas? Frank? |
^^^ Yep, Millercarbon ... it is hard to describe the lowering of the noise floor as done by using these products, and you just did an admirable job of it. Thanks. You're welcome. That'll be one dollar, please. Lol! Only 299 more and I can get another tube! |
That's a good metaphor. I can still remember as a kid being out at night in Montana, miles from any electric light let alone a city, far even from the camp fire, and this was back in the early 60's. The Milky Way is so bright you can see your shadow on the ground. The sky is so black the stars gleam like jewels.
It really is a lot like that with sound when the power is clean.
What's really staggering is Krissy says The Gate is like 40 times everything I've done so far all together. If even half of that, then no wonder Frank is gushing at a loss for words.
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Spent this past weekend applying TC and listening. Talon Khorus crossovers was huge, although hard to say it was all due to TC as an E-Card went in each one as well, and those E-cards are pretty impressive themselves. The Dayton sub amps got a light coating on the transformers, the ends of all the caps, and fuse holders. Then the 10" Morel sub drivers came out and got a thin coat around the magnets. Wanted to solder the internal wiring direct to the coil but the wire and post are so big they suck up all the power from my little soldering pen so had to make do with some TC on the wires on the factory connectors.
Listening to the difference with the subs was an interesting experience. With everything else the improvement is immediate and always. With subs its a lot more complicated.
A lot of the time they do very little. Sometimes though its downright startling what they do.
Probably the salient or main characteristic of TC is the way detail is revealed by a lower noise floor. Not noise like white noise but noise interwoven into the signal itself. Interwoven to the extent you'd never know its there until its gone. This has the effect of a seeming improvement in dynamics as well. Because dynamics aren't just how loud, but how big the range from quiet to loud. But while TC does improve dynamics that way, it also improves dynamics by increasing the speed and expanding the range. This shows up all the time in the way sounds explode like fireworks and make you feel like the amp just got twice as powerful.
Well the same thing happened with the subs. Only I would sit there listening and listening, straining and concentrating trying to hear something that wasn't happening. Then suddenly BOOM! The music would get loud just like it always did only this time when Mighty Sam McClain's drummer hits the kick drum 3 times that 3rd time isn't just a bit louder it freaking explodes into the room. Then that's it, back to seemingly normal.
The other really interesting thing, I heard Krissy sometimes throws a freebie or two into an order. Well she does. I got these little caps to go over unused RCAs. Only place to put them was on the Dayton Sub amps. How that is gonna make any difference I don't know. But then I don't really know how any of this stuff works anyway either! So on they went.
And yeah, same deal, and I am still shaking my head over that one.
Anyway, my TC application brush is toast. Frazzled. We're talking this thing makes Don King look good. Never been cleaned, plenty of TC caked on, so I mailed it off to tweak1 who will be giving it the acid test soon. I mean, if whatever dried out remnants he can scrape off makes a difference, then just imagine what a full tube can do.
Mine still has about 0.3ml left to go!
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I can buy into that. Except for the part about the better sound. |
BDR is awesome. BDR Cones are second only to TC. Everything in my system is on a Shelf, Cones, Round Things- or all three. |
Already told me its easy to make a 240v Gate. They just never bothered before, because hardly anyone runs off 240 and even fewer understand what I just explained.
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Then your panel was installed back when just the one utility ground was code. Nowadays they add another redundant t earth ground. Whatever. Doesn't really change anything. Merely an opportunity for those with open minds to realize electrical code has as much to do with politics as safety.
Still, what I thought. 240v breakers connect to both 120v bus bars. That's how you get 240v. There'll be 2 wires coming out of a 240v breaker. Connect to either one, doesn't matter which, its 120v. Connected to both together, only then do you get 240v. So your Gate is 120v.
Oh, and in case the fact that connecting a wire to a 240v breaker will only get you 120v isn't enough, try this on for size: connecting to two 120v breakers will get you 240v. As long as they're on different legs. Electrons only care about voltage potentials, not labels. Think about it.
As far as the difference, if you look behind the breakers you'll see why that might be. 240v breakers reach across and connect to both bars. The
Gate doesn't have 120v going through it, let alone 120v. The Gate has no appreciable voltage going through it at all.
That's not, I should probably hasten to add, not based on any special insider scoop from Krissy but on just the usual facts of electricity. Plus a little possibly not so ordinary reasoning... |
Pretty sure I know what's going on and can clear things up but first tell me how many wires connect the 240v breaker to The Gate (1 or 2?) and second tell me which bus bar, because there's more than one. Four, to be precise.
One bus bar will have all bare wires connected- that's earth ground. Another bus bar, opposite side, is white insulated wires- that's neutral aka utility ground. Then behind the breakers are two big thick copper bus bars, each one leg of 120v.
So, how many wires, and to what?
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tweak1 Is the contact the greatest thing since sliced bread that those of you posting here seem to believe? How much of the comments are driven because it was so expensive, it must be good, and so the purchaser starts hearing things to justify the expense? Or, is it really that good?
No, the greatest thing since sliced bread is Black Diamond Racing Cones. Did you read the TC Mega Review? Please do. It clearly states exactly the kind of person it will be the greatest tweak ever for. Maybe that's you. Then again, maybe not. The results will be there, of that there is no doubt. Whether you are able to hear and appreciate only that is in question. If I don’t hear what you all are, I doubt it’s returnable. Maybe if they cut the price in half I would be more willing to find out.
If you don't hear what we all hear, I doubt you're an audiophile. And if they cut the price in half we all would be more willing. Its called price elasticity. Do they not teach economics in school any more? You want to know how good it is? Really? And too cheap to do like everyone else and just buy it? Okay, tell you what. My brush hasn't been cleaned and its getting all fuzzy and so now I am about ready to get another one. I could clean it with alcohol but instead how about you send me your address and I stick it in the mail. There's probably enough on the brush to do a few RCAs, PCs and speaker cables. More than enough to be better than any other contact cleaner on the market. That's how good it is. Only one condition: you let us know how it goes. What you did, and what you heard- or didn't. Deal? |
Just spent the better part of the day pasting speakers and phono stage. Talon Khorus, weigh about 150 lbs, the base fastens with 4 great big lag bolts, and so you have to lay them down on their sides to get it off. Its a chore. But I did it before when they sent me the X series crossovers, so at least I know what I'm getting into.
Pasted the chokes and caps, all the solder joints (its all hard wired) and the inside of the terminal mounting plate. Strapped an E-card to the old potted crossover glued directly above the new one, double-checked everything and closed it up.
Now the hard part, getting them back where they belong. Having spent hours and hours getting them perfectly placed many years ago this is not something to be left to chance. The tape measure has 3 marks for the correct distance from the side and front walls to the 3 corners that define speaker location. So nobody gets to say it sounds better because the speaker position is better. The speaker position is exactly the same. Exactly.
Next up, the Herron. Previously, all connections including fuse holder and tube pins had been done a few weeks ago. Now understanding better how TC works, this time a lot more. Covered the transformer, the ends of all the caps, resistor bodies, and a lot of solder joints, the ones I can safely get at. Such a fine (and expensive) piece of kit has me even more conservative than usual. Heh.
Back it goes, and all the wires back up on their perches, and lo it powers up, nothing burned out, yay!
Oh and by the way, coating all this stuff used up a mere 0.2 ml.
Now its earlier than I usually listen. The system never sounds very good right away. Even warmed up the first few minutes are a please bear with us kind of a thing. Maybe the Koetsu needs that long to loosen up. Wires that were moved around need to settle back in. Whatever. Point is I never expect much right away.
Well, Total Contact it turns out does not care much for my expectations. Not when you use this much anyway. My old standby Al Stewart goes on and Lord Granville never sounded better. Freaking amazing. And its not just that its cleaner and more dynamic with sounds exploding in the air, what's even better is ordinary stuff like piano that never seemed very well recorded now has such you are there realism, tonal complexity and presence it just sucks you right in. What I think Krissy means by emotional connection.
Call it what you like. Lotta work. Totally worth the effort.
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Looking forward to this weekend, pasting as much of what's left as I can. Problem is it goes and goes and goes.... All I've done so far is barely half the tube!
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Is it important to paste ALL the connections in the breaker box or just those supplying the line that the audio equipment is on? The more the better. Mine was done in stages. The improvement doing the neutral and ground wires was at least as big as the hot ones. A factor seems to be an efficient clean path to ground helps drain noise. Or whatever. Do em all. Is there a big difference if only the line to the audio is pasted? Well its funny. Its kind of like the improvement is about the same no matter which line you do. It would be interesting if someone new would do all their lines EXCEPT the system just to see. It sure seems to me like it doesn’t matter which line you do. Which seems odd at first glance. Because its called Total Contact everyone thinks of it as a contact enhancer. When it clearly is much more than that. I mean where is the contact pasting the inside of a plastic outlet box? Clearly more is going on. I have a pretty good idea but not yet. Critics triggered enough already. I have plastic outlet boxes that I am going to paste inside and out. How did you paste the receptacle itself? Haven’t done that yet. Inside the cover plate would be a lot easier and probably about as good. Although as always, the more the better! I would think the first box to do would be the panel. That is after all where the power is, and all the PPS stuff seems to work best where there’s the most power. Which fits with the idea I have that will trigger the critics. More. If that’s even possible. |
OP paragraph three: Everyone knows, or should know, the importance of cleaning contacts. If you don’t, you can prove it to yourself in like 5 minutes with a little alcohol and a clean cloth. If you don’t notice improved detail and extension stop reading, you need another hobby. That’s what I learned, back around 1990. Then over the next 30 years I must have done this with a dozen to maybe 20 different cleaners and conditioners. All this experience taught me they are all pretty much the same. Which they are. TC however is NOT. So the first part of “for the right person” is being open to the fact technology advances and occasionally really new and transformational technology does come along. |
Frank is The Man. Been using it longer than anyone. Been using it even before it was what it is now. Beta tester I guess you could say. |
Right.
One day while working on this I got a little insight, literally, into this. Usually remember to flip the main breaker to the whole panel before putting a socket wrench to it but this one time....
Very interesting what happened. Tiny little blue arcs dancing around and along the surfaces of the socket and bus bar.
Lots and lots of electrons under pressure (voltage) just looking for somewhere to go. Most stay nestled in the nice metal, but enough go sparking out into the nitrogen and other molecules nearby, which hold onto them briefly until being unstable let go and there’s your sparks of light.
Hard looking at it not to think the same thing isn’t happening, only on a very micro scale, in the tiny little crags and crannies between two metal connectors. Surely all those little sparks smear the signal, this happens all the time and with every connection, as implied by the improvement we hear using Total Contact. |
Probably because there is no benefit.
Let's say for the sake of argument waiting until its dried the film is harder and less likely to be scraped out of the way being plugged in. In that case then you would have a uniform thin film everywhere just like before it was plugged in.
As opposed to if its plugged in right away, some of the film gets pushed along and accumulates along the contact edge.
Well, isn't that what you want? More in the contact area?
Hard to see the point of waiting.
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slaw: Regarding the TC, and how it's applied. I noticed on the other review, you stated that the instructions say to just treat the inner third of the male connectors. I'm wondering why? Also, do not treat the female contacts. Again, I'm wondering why? Mostly its to avoid risk of a short. TC is highly conductive. Applying to the insides of things its just too hard to do without risk of leaving some where you don't want it. Also if there's too much then the act of plugging could scrape some into a blob and who knows where that might go over time? A thin coat is all you need or want. Others have stated that after treating and installing, to wait for a time until the TC dries before unplugging. Wouldn't it be better to wait after treating for TC to dry, then insert? Maybe. But it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that dries into a hard coating like paint. Its more like a substance suspended in liquid to help spread it around. The liquid dries leaving the substance behind. Even when dry all that means is the carrier is gone. The gray substance rubs right off. Or maybe it just dries real slow and I've never waited long enough. But in that case its days, and do you really want to wait days?? |
Yeah, its amazing. Better even than anything from Synergistic, and I've been a fan of Ted's since the 90's. Still am. But this is another thing altogether. |
Okay so now this is even more surprising. One of the really nice surprises with this stuff is every once in a while Krissy just throws something in there for you. So I got these little gold caps for unused RCAs. No big, right? All kinds of em out there.
There's no place left to put them on my amp, and the Herron is full too. That just leaves the Oppo. Which with digital, video, and whatever multi-channel whatever, 6 altogether. Which the Oppo being digital is good for playing demagnetizing tracks and that's about it. So no way its gonna make any difference. So I just stuck em on there and put a side on. Without listening first. Because no way its gonna matter.
Wrong. Made enough difference it was obvious even without A/B'ing the same thing. Just to be sure I got up and removed just two, one from the digital out, the other video out. Sound goes flat and hard. Put it back. Deep and liquid. Crystal clear. Massive harmonic rightness.
Again, the Oppo is not even being used. This is the Miller Carbon playing. The Oppo is just sitting there connected, turned on, but not selected.
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Just finished several hours working on the Audio Consulting pure silver isolation transformer. This little beauty is hardwired inside my Medusa power center. For years it was used on the one outlet that used to go to my Oppo player. But with that outlet now used for my 2 Dayton subwoofer amps its been used on the 2 Tesla MPCs that power the Active Shielding on the CTS speaker cables.
Active Shielding makes a huge difference. Michael Spallone modified all mine with better caps, diodes, and point to point wiring. Another huge improvement. With the AC transformer its even better.
Unfortunately that transformer uses hair thin wire. We're talking wire so thin you have to be real careful soldering not to melt the wire. I got it used and apparently the guy before me left a bad joint. Had to open the power center up, pull the transformer and track down the fault.
So of course had the meter out to test before it goes back in. 128.5V out the secondary.
Well now that's interesting. Because there's a step I left out. The step where it tested 128.0V before applying Total Contact.
Same thin film coat like on everything else, same as on the Audio Consulting step down transformer, except of course a lot less this being such a small transformer. Applied all around the iron core and windings.
Wasn't expecting this but it did measure higher voltage after Total Contact. 128 vs 128.5 Not a lot. But still....
Oh and hasten to add, not reporting this because it was higher. If it was lower, would report that just the same. Not saying higher accounts for anything. I'm like Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes, "I don't care!"
Transformer back in place, system powered up, and I was not looking forward to this. Why? Because doing this requires shutting down the whole system, including amps I almost never turn off. It requires disconnecting all the power cords, moving interconnects and speaker cables, not to mention all the wires in the power center, and every one of these things sounds worse and takes a while to come back after being moved around like that.
So the XLO demag tracks go on, and the system warms up for an hour or so.
Even so, John Stewart Punch the Big Guy, its just not supposed to sound this good. Especially since last night, was one of those special nights when for whatever reason everything just sounds way better than ever before. Which usually means you don't get that again for a while. Never the next day. For sure not in the afternoon. Certainly not so soon after making changes.
Unless the changes are something special. Which Total Contact on your Active Shielding transformer sure seems to be. Yes. Yes indeed. It is. |
No need to apologize Frank. The best thing this site could do is add a tool so posters could filter who can and cannot contribute to a thread. Or even better whose posts they can and cannot see. Then it would be funny how fast a certain small group would wind up talking to themselves. (Which happens a lot anyway!) Meantime I vacillate between ignoring and skewering. Leaning more and more towards ignoring. Yeah. Maybe at least try it a while and see. Mahgister, what is your native language? Because its obviously not English! Which makes it all the more impressive when you write something as brilliant as this: Past some threshold, music is the only world we live in, and we forget about dreamed audio system (I will buy it anyway if I can for sure! :) ) or about the actual upgrading materials or tweaks... It is my case with a very modest cost system... The more difficult quality to be gained were : natural timbre of voices and instruments, and immersing encompassing holographic 3-d imaging in nearfield listening and in regular field listening with disappearance of the speakers when music fills my little room... Pure gold. Love reading your comments. Keep em coming. |
Mahgister, mining pure gold: one of the most ingrained illusion in audio is that buying electronic components (dac, conditioner, amp, speakers, headphones) is only by itself the principal way to upgrade an audio system...
So true. Music to my ears. the best way to upgrade an audio system is keeping it first, and then addressing the problems linked to the 4 principals embeddings: the electrical grid of the house and room, the acoustical field of the room, the vibratory-resonance embeddings methods, and the various necessary tweaks to decrease the noise floor. Beautiful. 1. Grail Components are an illusion 2. Keep what you have 3. Improve electric flow and fields 4. Address acoustic fields in your room 5. Control vibrations 6. Lower the noise floor Anyone in the Seattle area is welcome to come by and hear for themselves the power of these rules. First stop by Definitive Audio and listen to $1.3M of Grail Components with almost no tweaks. Then come to my place and hear what all these rules can do for a system with no Grail Components. |
Yes. Well we already know the days when people had sense enough to feel shame have long since passed. You don't need to keep reminding us.
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One of the first of many new things I encountered getting into high end audio many years ago was the number of really tiny little companies I'd never heard of before. Can't recall any names now but definitely still do recall how dismissive I was. Only many years later did it begin to sink in the extent to which I had been conditioned by big ad campaigns to feel this way. Its hard to overestimate the extent to which they are able to manipulate a person this way. Think of it however you like. The fact is they don't spend billions and billions year after year for no good reason. Think about it. Small niche firms like Perfect Path Solutions are in a tough spot. They can make the best most magic audio goop in the world, but how in the world is anyone gonna find out? Advertising is expensive. Especially to reach a tiny niche market. What I've done so far is really only about what I did around a year ago when I was excited about my new Koetsu, and for sure when I got blown away by the Herron VTPH2A phono stage. Not one person back then attacked me for being a shill, or fanatical, for writing almost exactly the same level of accolades. Go read the Herron review. It even has the same Wife reaction in it. Yet for some reason not one person was moved to accuse me or any of the Herron users who agreed of being a shill or fanatic. These reviews are not shills. I am not fanatical. Words have consequences. Keith Herron is getting up there in years. Not old old, but thinking about retirement old. The economic realities of manufacture are you don't just build one at a time. Oh you might assemble one at a time. But the chassis is the most expensive part and you have to tie up a lot of money in inventory to have lots of them made at one time. Keith was just about done and ready to sell me what would then be just about his last 2A, and I am not making this up but he told me reading my review he talked to his wife and decided to order another batch. So I am not gonna take credit for the VTPH2A continuing to be made, but it was a factor and that is straight from the man himself. DJ Casser was a commodities trader who developed Black Diamond Racing out of a love of audio. I was a fanatical shill I guess you would say for BDR back in the 90's long before many of you even heard of it. The reason its hardly around any more, DJ passed away. Now, Total Contact. It happens to have been invented and developed by a genius named Tim Mrock who like DJ passed long before his time, which in Tim's case was also quite suddenly and recently. His wife Krissy is trying to run the company, and its not like she wasn't involved before but come on, do I have to state the obvious? Go look at the site. Seriously. Go and look! https://perfectpathtechnologies.com/product/total-contact Thought it was weird when I went to buy and there was no way to buy on-line, you have to call. And this is long enough already I'm not going into the whole story except to say every time I think I know just how low law and government can go something like this comes along and moves the bar even lower. So it really doesn't bother me all that much if some people want to call me names. I can live with myself just fine. |
Frank: When you can consistantly discern the difference between older drum sets using animal skins and modern drum sets using acrylic, you can be assured that Total Contact is somewhere in the system.
Exactly. Or like I said the other day, the rain at the beginning of Taproot Manuscript are individual rain drops, and its clear some are falling on the ground, some on a tarp- and its a canvas tarp not plastic! |
Omega E Mats were reviewed earlier. Very effective. The beauty of the E Mats is you just slap one on the outside of the breaker box, and by the time you walk back and cue up a side the sound is amazing. Roughly the same as applying Total Contact to your whole system, only in a fraction of the time, and you can remove or move it a whole lot easier. Whereas the beauty of Total Contact, it is so concentrated just a tiny amount does your whole system. I'm talking just the easy to get at connections. That right there is roughly equivalent to one E Mat. But there's so much left! Well look at what I've done, and that's only about half the tube!
That's what makes TC such a bargain. I'm serious, by the way. If you came over I would just give you the little brush that comes with the TC. If that's all you do is get what's left on there onto your speaker terminals, and however much more you can spread (its more a matter of time and patience than material, it spreads out real thin!) just that little bit right there will be enough I bet you notice.
One time listening after painting TC everywhere I got the bright idea to paint my Koetsu. Without adding anything to the brush, just the little bit left on there, I put the thinnest coating possible on my Koetsu. Yeah. It used to be a Koetsu Black Goldline. Now its a Koetsu Gray Goldline. Not gonna say it was jaw-dropping but such a trace amount on such a small low-voltage part, amazing it can be heard at all.
The Gate I am told repeatedly is like a whole stack of E Mats and TC. Frank (aka oregonpapa) and a few others are nothing but gushing about it. The main difference being The Gate is designed to be installed and actually wired directly into the breaker panel.
Something a lot are understandably reluctant to do themselves. Pretty sure everyone so far has hired an electrician. Not me! I wired my house. I've installed a whole panel, added a sub panel, added circuits, its just not a problem. But my stereo with the step-down transformer is 220v. All The Gate currently are 110v. Now we have been talking about this, and Krissy says she can make one for 220v.
Anyway, main thing is everything so far works so well you can hardly believe it, but they are very, very different in terms of how easy they are to use. That's why I cover a lot of these details. Tweaks like these are what its all about.
Here's an idea. Take a day, head over here, stop by Definitive Audio in Seattle (or Bellevue, which is even closer to me and easier to get to) listen to their flagship million (yes, million) dollar Wilson/AT/D'Agostino system. Then come by my place. Listen to my system, less than the Washington Sales Tax you'd pay for theirs. Let people know what you think.
Shout out to mahgister for promoting the importance of tweaks... and Krissy for making this stuff! TC Rules! |
You're close enough to come by for a fix. Just the little bit left on the brush will be enough to do your speaker terminals and maybe an RCA or two. Just about enough to give you some idea. Although if you do come over, within a few minutes you will know. If it even takes that long. |
