Paypal issue beware.


I sold a $1500 amp to someone here notified after delivery had physical damage to it looked like it was dropped. Anyhow contacted UPS to process a shipping claim. In the mean time he filed a pay pal case. Fine told him we would go through that process.  PayPal goes and gives him back his money with out tracking or evidence he sent it back! I call they said because he used some sort of mandated government payment they do not require any evidence that it was shipped back.  

What type of payment is this?


So the guy can order stuff put in a case saying it did not meet description and get money back with out returning a item? This makes no sense will never sell using pay pal again.   Just spent an hour on the phone with them.  Also I want to know what type of account this is seems like the best scam going order a whole bunch of crap say it didn't meet description and get money back and not have to return it.  I'm out $1500 paypal even charged me the fees for there great service and I don't have my product back! I don't understand how this is allowed. 

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Pay Pal is the worst.  
They are a 3rd party vendor who Leaches off actual processor systems.Their entire business model is to contract with the actual processors and throw their service fees on top and pass that all off on their customers.
They market themselves as being a safe but most of all fast. Every one likes fast until there is a problem. When there is a problem they pass that off their customers as well as long as they can get away with it.  To actually fix a problem takes time, resources and money which they do not want to deal with. 
To fight with them you have to be prepared to get Nasty. You need to demonstrate that you are not going away and that if need be you will bring an army of resources to conduct your own investigation into their business practices.
I had a similar problem with them several years ago and they were giving me a the whole run around as to their investigation policies and why they were justified in sticking me with the loss. I had to threaten to sue them, not in small claims, but to get the US attorneys office to conduct an investigation since this would constitute Mail and Wire Fraud which is a federal case. I also pointed out that if they were doing this to me they were probably doing this to thousands of accounts a day which probably translates to Hundreds of millions a year, which would most likely prompt a class action suit  -
They reimbursed me the Next Day. I never used them again. 
Pay Pal is a third party "Service provider". They are based out of Singapore which means that they do not have to comply with US banking regulations.The main Processors are, JP Morgan, Citibank, Shift 4, First Data to name a few. I do not understand why in today's market especially with mobile banking more vendors don't go direct to the source. Why insist on paying a third party like Pay Pal to contact the actual processor rather than you doing it for yourself for free. Of course the actual processors always charge their own fees, but Pay Pal charges fees on top of those fees in order to make their money. They also impose several terms like they have the right to withhold currency for 30 days for security reasons  - when in reality it's  for them to make money on interests. 

Then of course there is always, just writing a check, waiting on snail mail, waiting for the check to clear... its slower, but still works.