@atmasphere Ralph, this is where we disagree. The Linn felt mat is the best sounding mat for the Linn ( except for maybe the Collaro mentioned above). The Linn felt mat damps out the platter and is spec’ed for the table. While I suspect you have not really AB’ed a number of mats for the Linn, the unfortunate thing ( unfortunate, as the felt mat does incur static) is that of all the mats I have heard on the table ( and that includes rubber and vinyl) the felt is easily heard as being superior. Linn suggest applying a piece of double sided tape to the back of the felt mat to make sure it stays on the table, if one is concerned about that. Would a felt mat be the answer for most tables, definitely not; but with the LP12, I do think Linn know what they are talking about. |
@slaw Obviously, but of the many I have heard on the Linn, the stock is preferred. How many mats have others heard on the Linn table? This is the question from the OP, about the Linn LP12, not other tables. |
Managing static on the LP12 is not going to happen with a felt mat, we all agree with that. BUT, the question the OP has to answer is if he wants to impact his SQ by going away from the felt mat, or if he wants to do away with static ( although I don't know if any mat will 100% solve this problem). The issue with the mat sticking to the LP ( and yes this is an annoying aspect that we all have with the felt) is addressed by Linn with their double sided tape suggestion. |
@slaw Let's see if the OP wants to diminish his SQ or wants to diminish just his static. I think maybe you misunderstood some of my points. |
@mijostyn The fact that you believe you can set up a Linn LP 12 better than the Linn trained professional says a lot about your post and experience. |
@masi61 The felt mat on the LP12 is certainly the cause of the static issue ( well one of them), unfortunately it is also the best mat IME for getting the best sound from the table. Replacing the mat will probably mean a reduction in SQ, and no more static issues. Alternatively, if you want to hear what many folks are saying is a great mat ( albeit, at a high price) the Collaro mat is supposed to be better than stock ( I have not heard it). |
@mijostyn. The LP12 is best played without the lid. I don’t know of anyone who listens seriously to the Linn that plays it with the lid on...easy to hear how it impacts the SQ negatively.
BTW, for those who don’t know, the Linn LP12 platter is actually a two piece unit, consisting of an inner platter/spindle and an outer platter, I don’t think it rings at all.
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@chayro I second the suggestion for Gruv Glide, it is a really excellent product that seems to work as advertised. It does indeed knock back static initially, but one will find that with repeated playings, static still will build up, particularly with the LP12 felt mat. Nonetheless, one could re-apply Gruv Glide and this would work.
@slaw Nice to know that you are a manufacturer of mats, explains a lot. Too bad i did not realize this before.
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@mijostyn If you cannot hear what the dust cover does negatively for the LP12 SQ, there is little more to be said. The use of a product like Gruv Glide is beneficial in many instances, and like chayro stated above, it will minimize the build up of static. YMMV. |
@slaw The actual installation process of Gruv Glide involves static charge, do explain?
Most folks use Gruv Glide on noisy pressings to reduce back ground hash, it also secondarily helps in reducing static build up on the vinyl. Personally, i see little reason to use it on pristine vinyl, but it makes plenty of sense on less than pristine vinyl...if you ever used it that is.............. |
@slaw So, spraying the Gruv Glide onto a felt pad and then wiping it around the album involves a static charge?? Please do explain further.. |
@mijostyn "I got rid of all of my Linns a long time ago because they are irreparably defective"
Your post is timely, because I was talking to my Linn dealer yesterday and he related an interesting story. On one of the other forums, there was a chap who was telling everyone that the Linn LP12 was way past its prime, it was always falling out of tune, and was impossible to not only work on but was easily bested in SQ by any new turntable today. My dealer was curious about this guy and so after some back and forth PM’s with him, it was discovered that the poster had last owned a Linn LP12 in 1979, had always set up the table himself and had on occasion swapped out arms, to include a SME 309 and also a arm which he couldn’t remember, but it was heavy and worked well on his later tables. Lastly, the fellow told my dealer that he had heard the Linn recently, which to him was back in 2000! Nonetheless, this chap was 100% sure that his new Technics direct drive from 1980 was easily better than his 1979 Linn. After all, the darned screws were loctighted on the Linn and he couldn’t ever get them loose when he was taking his table apart…
I have NEVER heard of a Linn that was "irreparably defective" only an owner who had no clue how to set it up and refused to allow a qualified Linn dealer to work on it....were you one of those folks??--:0) |
Mijostyn, maybe stop putting words in my mouth, did I say anywhere where the guy at any Hi Fi store is an expert...or did I say, and I quote' " Linn trained professional". Please read my posts closer and not jump to conclusions.
You stated that you can set up the table way better than my Linn LP12 dealer, and since you believe this, there is nothing more to discuss...I am done with this. Have a nice day. |
