Now it's subs


I've lived in disdain of subwoofers for years.  The poor integration and indiscriminate screwing up of the voicing of the delivery.  Today I was just testing a recovered old active Gallo sub and it made some just okay speakers sing.  What ?!?!?  Arrrggghhh!!!

Now the contemplation of a very decent sub to pair with my Merlin Black Magic monitors.  System as follows:

Naim UnitiServe server with Pardo power supply, Naim DAC, Manley Jumbo Shrimp pre, Manley Mahi Mahi monos, all Decware cabling.  Thanks for any input regarding fast subs that improve all aspects of imaging, attack, voicing and impact.  Musical tastes mostly jazz, blues, Celtic.  

Thanks so so much in advance.
                                                        Doug


celtic66

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I bought 2 used RELs from the same era for 200 bucks each, both in excellent condition. The first was maybe 4 years or so ago and it's a Q150e front firing 10, and the second I found last year and it's Q108EII. My system was absolutely energized by the first and made even better by the second. Musical subs simply require that you move 'em around until YOU like the sound, and pay attention to the crossover points and levels on the subs (I find using a test CD to determine the ACTUAL low frequency limits of my mains is useful, and set the subs to take over around the point the mains stop delivering useful bass). I personally don't care about room EQ gizmos as you wind up surrendering EQ choices to the people who design these digital nannies, and I'm a seriously experienced live sound engineer who's ego won't allow such intrusions. Plus my largish listening room has tall, sloped ceilings and furniture. I turn the subs up and down if needed, and seriously enjoy the living bejeezus out of them every day.
RELs take the signal from the amp and allow you to leave the mains alone, or you can unplug the mains and listen to the sub by itself which doesn't sound very good at all. You can also leave the amp off and hear nothing from either the mains or the sub, or you can turn the whole damn thing way up, pack up the car, and drive to Mexico.
If dragon-vibe needs further advice or assistance on whether forums are an appropriate place for a sales pitch, let me know.
I think REL is missing out on a a marketing opportunity by not making a backwards compatible "Longbow" wireless gizmo, as I think a lot of current REL owners would love to bag the cable (or cables…I had to combine 2 REL cables into one connector to fit on my amp posts) which would also allow for MUCH easier sub placement. Currently the Longbow is only available on new models…I wonder how hard it would be to design one for the rest of us...