Atmasphere, you do not fasten the platter to the motor assembly on the 1200G?No- IMO/IME the platter pad is more important and you can't get to the screws if its in place.
Nottingham Spacedeck vs Rega Planar 8 vs Technics SL1200G
Hey Everyone,
An analogue newbie needs your advice.
Firstly I am not looking for any TT recommendations other than these 3.
My system is Devore O96, and the amplification would be either Lyngdorf 3400/Coincident Frankenstein combo or a Shindo pre/amp combo (forthcoming). The phono stage is TBD.
The sound I like is rich, full-bodied, with a good bass (I love percussion, and the double-bass instrument and Mingus is my fav jazz artist). I am very sensitive to even a hint of brightness. I don't care about the typical audiophile presentation -- gobs of detail and soundstage but no soul.
My music of choice is jazz, vocals and small-scale instrumentals. No rock, no pop, no western classical.
Would love your thoughts on these 3 choices.
Since I am a newbie, easy setup is big win, which might tilt me towards the Rega or Technics, but with Nottingham I have a great dealer support that I would completely miss out on if I went with Technics (no Technics dealer in a 5000 mile radius).
I used to own a Rega RP6, so am familiar with Rega sound, and like it. But my RP6 was bested by my DAC (AMR DP-777) so sold it a few years ago. So I want a TT that will compete with any sub-10000$ DAC.
Looking forward to your thoughts that will help me scratch my analog itch.
An analogue newbie needs your advice.
Firstly I am not looking for any TT recommendations other than these 3.
My system is Devore O96, and the amplification would be either Lyngdorf 3400/Coincident Frankenstein combo or a Shindo pre/amp combo (forthcoming). The phono stage is TBD.
The sound I like is rich, full-bodied, with a good bass (I love percussion, and the double-bass instrument and Mingus is my fav jazz artist). I am very sensitive to even a hint of brightness. I don't care about the typical audiophile presentation -- gobs of detail and soundstage but no soul.
My music of choice is jazz, vocals and small-scale instrumentals. No rock, no pop, no western classical.
Would love your thoughts on these 3 choices.
Since I am a newbie, easy setup is big win, which might tilt me towards the Rega or Technics, but with Nottingham I have a great dealer support that I would completely miss out on if I went with Technics (no Technics dealer in a 5000 mile radius).
I used to own a Rega RP6, so am familiar with Rega sound, and like it. But my RP6 was bested by my DAC (AMR DP-777) so sold it a few years ago. So I want a TT that will compete with any sub-10000$ DAC.
Looking forward to your thoughts that will help me scratch my analog itch.
Showing 7 responses by atmasphere
So, I received the Oracle mat and the Project record weight for my Technics SL1200G. I found that the whole presentation is enhanced with the bass being much more solid. My question to Ralph or others, should I remove the sticky backing on the underside of mat and stick to my platter or leave the covering on? I'm afraid if I stick the mat down, I won't be able to easily remove it if I need to remove the platter. What do you guys and girls think?Here is my recommendation: Do not install the three screws that are used to fix the platter to the motor spindle. Remove the sticky back and apply the pad to the platter. The platter is thus still removable and already has a snug fit on the motor spindle so no worries. But you will find that the sound improves- the coupling of the platter to the pad is important. This will allow the platter pad to work better with the damping system that already exists on the platter. Yes, you'll have to destroy the platter pad to remove it. But I think you will find that the resulting turntable is so good that it takes on challengers much more expensive; IOW it will be years or never that you will have any need to remove the pad. |
However, since the AP LP was an order of magnitude quieter than the other LP at all frequencies, and only somewhat more audible at 400Hz than at other frequencies, does this not suggest that the coupling is pretty good? Agreed that 400Hz seems less good... The graphite platter has a natural resonance of 2KHz, the cast iron subplatter of 500Hz.Sounds like the platter pad is robbing energy from the platter and vice versa. That is a simple way to kill resonance. Empire used to do something like that with their two-piece platters in their 598 and 698 years ago. do you guys ever just sit back and enjoy the music?:)Yup! And I enjoy it more when the system is really neutral (and so does my GF). That is why getting the platter pad right is important- you can't fix things downstream if the cartridge isn't able to do its job properly! Look at this beauty: Sweet- may well be the next go-to entry level machine. |
Mat doesn’t have to be the same hardness as vinyl.Many people don't understand that the mat can have a big effect on the sound of the turntable. The function of the mat is two-fold: first to damp the LP, and second to damp the platter. Both are important. To damp the LP, this means that vibration from the LP must be absorbed and converted to heat. To do this without reflecting any of the vibration back to the LP, it must be the same durometer reading as the LP (the same hardness). To this end you might use a stack of LPs but they aren't the right shape. Most LPs have a lip on the edge and a raised label. That is where a proper platter design pays off. If the LP is properly damped you won't hear much sound coming from the LP surface (with the volume turned down) although this is not a 100% best way to know. To do that, a 20Hz-20Khz sweep tone does the job- it should play back nice and flat but distortion should be lower as well, since the LP talking back to the stylus will be creating distortion. |
The Technics is the most speed stable of the three. Its also very well damped (so more locked-in sound stage and better bass). The platter pad does not do the machine justice and should be changed out. Its also possible to change out the arm; we've even got the 12" Triplanar to work on that turntable. |