Next step in Turntable


Gents;

I am currently enjoying my re-start of analog and LP’s 

Pro-Ject Classic 
Hana SL
Musical Surroundings Phenomona II+
Anyway, I’m finding That I really enjoy the LP life 
I’ve found a system that is quiet, dynamic and detailed with no real drawbacks 

so, As usual 

If I wanted to take the next step,  in Analog playback , at what level and price should I be looking at 

jeff 


frozentundra

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Get rid of the Pro-Ject Classic and find a better turntable (with better tonearm) for your Hana cartridge. 
Chakster;

sota ? As in SOTA turntables ?

I hear their name a lot, They are in Delavan wi , about 30 miles from me , Milwaukee

It was a joke, because you asked Mijostyn about turntable, for him it’s SOTA and almost any audiogonner aware of it :))

Actually you could try if they are near.

I prefer direct drive turntables, the ultimate today is SP-10R drive from Technics, Japan. Tonearm and custom plinth of your choice. Probably it’s over your budget.
Read about Herron here. This phono stage is dicontinued! No more phono stages from Herron. Probably you are not set for life @paulgardner
This is all you need and you can’t find a better drive that this, in the USA it’s about $7-9k? Regarding plinth and tonearm idea look here. They even made cast iron for SP-10R, you can just check it out.

I bought a custom made teak wood plinth for my SP10 mkII and Reed3P "12 inch tonearm. 
I have to say that at least the Technics SP 10R specs very well and is beautifully made. A new one is outside the OP’s price range.

His price limit is 10k, the drive cost about $7k in Japan and about $9k in USA, the rest for any arm and custom plinth. 

The old one sounded just like what it was, a commercial radio station bullet proof direct drive turntable.


Experts reported numerous times that refurbished SP-10 mk3 is better than new SP-10R.

It would be a very interesting project building a suspended plinth for a new one. It is a shame this seems to be outside the capabilities of everyone making and selling plinths for it. They can’t seem to get it through their heads that mass loading does not work.
But it is much harder to design and build a floating plinth which I believe is the reason no one does it (that I know of, please correct me if I am wrong)

Audio-Technica made pneumatic insulator AT616, put it under the plinth (up to 132 lbs) and you are done.
Chakster, those feet are not isolation. The only thing they do is make the owner feel good.


Did you read the manual for AT616? Everything explained very well with test results and measurements by Audio-Technica. Those pneumatic feet are great insulators.
But your wish to completely isolate everything is a bit strange :) Life on springs in a complete isolation? This is a perfect world of modern technologies? @mijostyn


Honestly, I have no idea what you guys isolate your turntable from? Is there a subway under your houses, earthquake or what? It’s a preparation for emergency to stay home with perfectly isolated Sota turntable when the earth is shaking?



Very pretty turntable setup
It must sound very nice .  Why did you pick the reed arm vs others? My one buddy has a tri-planer


Reed 3p “12inch Cocobolo with cryo-treated phono cable and WBT RCA is my version. This tonearm is fully adjustable “on the fly” (even azimith on the fly). Clever design, superb quality, great sound. Buyer can choose length, cable, and armtube. I bought because of the engineering and design. My choice was Reed, not TriPlanar or Kuzma. Now it’s the only one modern tonearm in my vaults, the rest are top vintage high-end. 
@mijostyn

If it does not bounce between 1 and 3 Hz it is not isolated and the amount of noise passed on by the environment is easy to see. Hook the output of your phono stage to an oscilloscope and put your stylus down on a record with the turntable stopped. Tap on your granite rack and watch the oscilloscope jump. All that wiggling going on in the background is environmental rumble. On any good suspended turntable you will not see any of it. The tracing won’t be dead quiet as the cartridge is capable of picking up air currents in the room.



I don’t care about noise I can’t hear! 1 - 3Hz ???

When I play record there is nothing under 20Hz and I don’t hammer my turntable when I listen to the music. I should concern only about frequency range comming from the speakers withing vinyl record frequency range, the speakers are near. I have absorbers and diffusers on the walls and ceiling in my listening room.

Sitting in Russia and listening to my favorite vinyl I don’t care about seismic vibration from Japan, aliens rarely use their weapon in my area since the Tunguska event in 1908, we are fine. I don’t have to glue some springs to my slippers before I come to flip the record.


Audio-Technica AT616 Pneumatic insurator are super effective in 50Hz - 20kHz range. Pneumatic is super effective at 200Hz. Overall they are effective at 20Hz - 50kHz and there are graphics of the measurements in the manual. They are also level adjustable and ideal for some turntable plinth! I liked them under wooden plinth of Technics SP-10mk2, Denon DP-80, Victor TT-101 (because stock feet sucks) ... I the AT/616 under my huge Tannoy “15 DMT MK2 monitors on the front side only (to change the attack angle).


Regarding other turntables I want to remind you again that Luxman PD-444 is suspended on its stock level adjustable feet. I don’t use AT-616 under my Lux PD-444 turntables, because this plinth is a perfect design, But I use custom racks (they are metal filled with sand).








The problem with @mijostyn is that he never tried the AT-616.
Here is the image of my AT-616 in my system (under Tannoy).

This is another set of AT under my ex SP-10mk2.
4 x AT616 designed for up to 132 lbs weight (60kg).  

The problem with Solid Tech is their ugly design, I would never put them under anything like vintage turntable (but it’s just my opinion).


Some Solid Tech feet are similar to Isonoe that I am using under my pair of Technics turntable in my second (not main) system.