New Yggdrasil - First (and second) Impressions


Okay, so I’ve finally (on order over 2 months) received my Schiit Yggdrasil. The unit arrived in exactly perfect condition (i.e. well packaged).

Upon first (and second) listening through all sources/inputs, I would need a stethoscope to discern any difference among my current components and connectivity. I also cannot detect any difference using the phase inversion button.

I suppose the aforementioned is a testament to how good my current system (before/without Yggy) already sounds. :)

I can easily A-B test because the Yggy is hooked in via balanced and my other components are also hooked directly to amp via RCA or USB.

Also, obviously I have NOT let the unit "burn in" for days because I just got it, however, it has come to full operational temperature after being powered on continuously over 24 hours.

System configuration: (Yggdrasil > XLR > Musical Fidelity M6si integrated amplifier > Golden Ear Triton Reference speakers )
all cables blue jeans cables "best" offering

Emotiva ERC-3 CD player > AES/EBU > Yggdrasil
Oppo UDP-205 blue ray player > coax > Yggdrasil
Samsung SMT-C5320 cable box > optical > Yggdrasil
Gateway NV79 Windows 10 64-bit computer > USB > Yggdrasil

I’ll be patient, but if there are any suggestions to "try" in order to hear *some* audible difference, that would be great. Appreciate any feedback you have.

Thanks.
gdhal

Showing 4 responses by rikkipuu

I have the Yggy and Wyred 4 Sound DSD DAC2 SE V2.  I think the Oppo uses the same chip as the W4S  The Yggy and W4S sound different as night and day just in the way you would think.  the Yggy is smoother but less detailed.  The Yggy sounds best on Redbook, the W4S excels on hi rez especially DSD.  Over the last year I have gone back and forth about selling one or the other.  I am keeping both because the are so different and depending on the digital file or my mood I make it exciting or mellow.  And Hi Rez is different form Redbook.  The W4S has a half dozen filters to choose from, basically choose your poison; pre ringing vs phase timing errors.  The Yggy doesnt give a choice, I dont know what they did but it seems the Yggy says no to any pre ringing and at the same time they did something to reduce the timing problems more than the W4S but at the expense of some detail and being a bit rolled off on both ends.
4wiw  it took the Yggy over 300 hours to break in and you wont have a clue how good the Yggy can sound without really good power conditioning and cables in and out.  I could not get the COAX or Optical to sound decent, I dont have the option to use AES/EBU.  I use USB with a Curious cable and have both the regen and recovery with LPS's.  I recently changed to Wireworld silver eclipse 7 XLR 's from BlueJeans XLR-  Initially I bought one set thinking it could be a likely waste of money, I now have a set on each DAC, cant and wont ever go back.  I wont go into the power conditioning except to say it is as or more important than cabling.  At the end of the day these DAC's have very different voicing in my system.
I did not make it clear that I upgraded my DAC-2 DSD SE to the V2V with the newer ESS 9038.   It was  worth every penny.  Part of the reason I got the Yggy was I knew the W4S was a little off and glary at times.  The 9038 is soooo much better.  I think the filters are a weakness for the V2V but they are a lot lot better than what they replaced and it has been educational to be able to read about each filter and then hear them and how everything changes for good and bad.
The V2V does Hi Rez better in my system.  And Redbook or Hi Rez there are instrumentals where it is clear that parts of the notes are missing with the Yggy, I think it is an effect of the Yggy's filter and done to keep the harmonics more  natural and why it sounds overall more relaxed.  The digital filters in both DAC's are a compromise between two un-natural sound effects, pre-ringing and phasing effects. To me the pre-ringing is way more fatiguing but the notes are richer, the notes with a minimum phase filter are much clearer but sometimes sound like part of the note is missing.
I like both DACs because they do what they do really well and because they are so very different in how they do it and how they sound.  Of the two I think the W4S is better but is also twice the price.  I really love the way it does DSD.  If I didn't  play DSD or a lot of Hi Res the Yggy is a no brainer.
Also fwiw I play digital files from a music server with a SSD.  I have A/B compared listening to a CD thru the DAC right after ripping it to a music server and the CD player's 
I meant to delete the music serve stuff, I was going to make an observation that in my system the music server is better than the CD Player but it does not help you.  
I think every one hears music differently just like music tastes are different.  I will say that before the W4S V2V upgrade it was a no brainer I preferred the Yggy.  It wasn't until after investing a lot in interconnects and power regeneration and conditioning that I could appreciate what I was hearing.  But I could hear they were very different before all the ancillary stuff and I preferred the Yggy to the older W4S DAC.  Now it is really close.  I think they both sound digital but in different ways and I like them both.

The W4S and Yggy are the only DAC's I have owned and listened to critically.  I upgraded the W4S to the newest 9038 Sabre chip that is also in the Oppo.  I was just piping in that the 9038 chip in the W4S and the Yggy sound very diifferent.  I have not heard a DAC that I think sounds like analog. 
No doubt bad analog is better than bad digital in general, and great analog is better than great digital in my experience.  I think the newer Sabre chip and the Yggy and probably other DACs mentioned that I have not heard are eliminating a lot of the really objectionable problems with digital playback. 
I think analog has a lot of problems, the biggest is that to make it sound wonderful is really expensive and involves reel to reel.  I think LP's suck- but that doesnt stop me from listening to them.
I like both the DAC's I own, they make digital sound less bad than what I have heard in the past to the point I think digital can sound really good.  I have similiarly invested in my turntable and record cleaning and tube phono amp and tube amp to make my analog sound less bad, and sometimes it sounds really good.