New tubes in Rogue M-180 Monoblocks


I understand the M-180s now ship with the KT-120 power tubes, instead of the KT-80. You can also simply replace the KT-80 with the KT-120 if you already own these amps. I'm curious whether anyone has done it and what their impressions are as far as the difference in sound. Is the over $300 upgrade worth it?
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What about the input tube ((12AX7)) on the M180’s? I’ve heard it can have a pretty significant impact on sound. Any recommendations on that one?

@500homeruns It does. That’s a fun slot to roll because it’s so easy (one per side, no re-bias). I used MANY on Apollos over the years. Best sounding tube was Mazda (also branded Cifte, Belvu) silver plates 12AX7 if you can handle a little extra energy on top. When I had daker sounding speakers these were divine. DON’T get the Cifte 5751 silver plates, these are brightness cannons.

For a bit of a warmer sound I really liked the GE 5751 TM BP "silver clips" version from ~1953. The later 50s non-"silver clips" TM BP are good too but not quite as magical.

Teles are relatively plentiful (used) and sound really good, just a tier below Mazdas. The ribbed plates are similar to Mazdas. Smooth plates are a little warmer. Most RCAs tend to be a little warm, but not like Mullards. Once in a while a run into an (oddball) obscenely bright RCA which surprises me (in the trash they go).

Various RCAs and Mullards are pretty good, I just preferred the above. Mullards are very warm and "thick" sounding if you need that.

You can even throw in a 12AY7 for something different. I had a red label GE that sounded pretty good (1963 / 64 vintage on red labels).

But you know what, I actually think the Russian re-issues sound really good and offer different tonal balances across the sub-brands. Mullards are warm (like real ones), Tung-Sol a little energetic up top, Gold Lions in between with a nice touch of sweetness.

The good news is most tubes will sound really good and give you a (slightly) different perspective. It really boils down to personal preference and system balance. I had a few dogs (usually just too bright and lean), but they were by far the minority.

Hi,

First time posting on this thread. I have a pair of Rogue M-180 Dark monoblock amps.  I'd like to try rolling some different tubes for the 12au7 tubes.

Someone I know suggested I try Rca 5963 tubes in place of the 12au7 tubes.

However, I'm not very knowledgeable about electronics. I read somewhere the Rca 5963 tube (developed originally for computer applications) has a lower maximum plate voltage than the regular 12au7 tube.  

Would I still be able to use a quad of 5963 tubes in place of 12au7 tubes? 

Has anyone tried running their Rogue amp with 5963 tubes, or know of any reason why the 5963 tubes should not be used in a Rogue amp?

Thanks very much for any guidance.  Cheers!

 

+1 here for the KT120's excellent reliability. I run these in my Quicksilver Mono 120s (2 pair in two systems), which all have well over 2,000 hours of use, and I've had zero issues...super reliable. I also love Shuggy KT-88's, which sound wonderful in my third pair of Quicksilvers (KT Monos). Again, fantastic, balanced, and dynamic across the board with no issues whatsoever.