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New system has fatiguing, harsh high frequency sounds. How to fix?
I just purchased my first audio and home theater system (other than a bluetooth speaker or computer speaker system). I use it for listening to music as well as watching movies. It is a tremendous upgrade and I’m enjoying it. It has clarity and detail that I have never heard before. However, I notice a harshness in the high frequency sounds when listening to music.
I would like my treble to be smooth, sweet, soft, silky and gentle. Right now it is the opposite of that. It is annoying, screechy, metallic and harsh.
I am seeking a solution to that issue. From the little I have been able to find on this subject, it seems that room acoustics might be a big part of my solution. Is that true? If not, what is my next step? An equalizer? I can’t see many options for big changes in speaker placement. At most I can move them a few inches or change the angles.
My listening room is about 11.5 feet by 11.5 feet and square except for the doorway in the back corner which protrudes into the room 18 inches x 44 inches. In the room are a bookcase, couch, end table, media center stand (holding TV, center speaker, receiver, disc player and Roku), computer & computer monitor, my speakers (and rear speaker stands), a ceiling fan and that’s about it... I’m describing the room on the assumption that the room (or its contents) are relevant to the treble problem I’m describing. (However, throwing some thick blankets over my TV and computer monitor, as a test, did not change the issue.)
Here are my home theater components:
Speakers:
The front speakers are on either side of the LG TV on the front wall (and near the room corners. The front speakers are angled in. Minimum distance to wall is 10", but measuring straight/parallel from back of speaker to wall is at least 18". From side of speaker to wall is at least a foot (one side of room has 30 inches). There is only 3" between each RTi A5 and RTi A7 speaker.
The rear speakers are behind the couch at each corner and against the back wall.
One subwoofer is in the back corner. The other is midway on the other wall and angled toward listening area.
For music, I usually prefer listening in 2-channel stereo. The dual pairs of front speakers are awesome. (I initially started out with a 7.1 layout but I prefer this layout now.) The high frequency problem exists even in 2-channel stereo. It also exists if I use only 1 pair of front speakers.
Wiring
All speakers are bi-wired, except the center (and subwoofers), which don’t support it. (Not bi-amp’d, just bi-wired*.)
Speaker wire: Mediabridge 12AWG 4-Conductor Speaker Wire (100 Feet, White) - 99.9% Oxygen Free Copper - ETL Listed & CL2 Rated for In-Wall Use
* https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/blog/2016/06/08/bi-wiring-speakers-exploration-benefits/
Banana Plugs:
I would like my treble to be smooth, sweet, soft, silky and gentle. Right now it is the opposite of that. It is annoying, screechy, metallic and harsh.
I am seeking a solution to that issue. From the little I have been able to find on this subject, it seems that room acoustics might be a big part of my solution. Is that true? If not, what is my next step? An equalizer? I can’t see many options for big changes in speaker placement. At most I can move them a few inches or change the angles.
My listening room is about 11.5 feet by 11.5 feet and square except for the doorway in the back corner which protrudes into the room 18 inches x 44 inches. In the room are a bookcase, couch, end table, media center stand (holding TV, center speaker, receiver, disc player and Roku), computer & computer monitor, my speakers (and rear speaker stands), a ceiling fan and that’s about it... I’m describing the room on the assumption that the room (or its contents) are relevant to the treble problem I’m describing. (However, throwing some thick blankets over my TV and computer monitor, as a test, did not change the issue.)
Here are my home theater components:
- Computer monitor: WASABI MANGO UHD400 40" 3840X2160
- TV: LG OLED65C7P 65"
- Receiver: Sony STRDN1080
- Disc Player: LG UP875 4K BLU-RAY PLAYER BestBuy SKU 5979504
- Streaming Box: Roku Ultra streaming player (model 4660)
Speakers:
- Front 1: Polk Audio RTi A7 floorstanding speakers
- Front 2: Polk Audio RTi A5 floorstanding speakers
- Center Speaker: Klipsch RP-250C Center Channel Speaker
- Subwoofer 1: Polk Audio PSW125 Subwoofer
- Subwoofer 2: Klipsch R-112SW Subwoofer
- Rear/Surround: Polk Audio RTI A3
The front speakers are on either side of the LG TV on the front wall (and near the room corners. The front speakers are angled in. Minimum distance to wall is 10", but measuring straight/parallel from back of speaker to wall is at least 18". From side of speaker to wall is at least a foot (one side of room has 30 inches). There is only 3" between each RTi A5 and RTi A7 speaker.
The rear speakers are behind the couch at each corner and against the back wall.
One subwoofer is in the back corner. The other is midway on the other wall and angled toward listening area.
For music, I usually prefer listening in 2-channel stereo. The dual pairs of front speakers are awesome. (I initially started out with a 7.1 layout but I prefer this layout now.) The high frequency problem exists even in 2-channel stereo. It also exists if I use only 1 pair of front speakers.
Wiring
All speakers are bi-wired, except the center (and subwoofers), which don’t support it. (Not bi-amp’d, just bi-wired*.)
Speaker wire: Mediabridge 12AWG 4-Conductor Speaker Wire (100 Feet, White) - 99.9% Oxygen Free Copper - ETL Listed & CL2 Rated for In-Wall Use
* https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/blog/2016/06/08/bi-wiring-speakers-exploration-benefits/
Banana Plugs:
- Mediabridge Banana Plugs - Corrosion-Resistant 24K Gold-Plated Connectors - 12 Pair/24 Banana Plugs (Part# SPC-BP2-12 )
- Sewell Silverback , 24k Gold Dual Screw Lock Speaker Connector
- Ocelot Banana Plugs, 24k Gold Plated Connectors, Open Screw Type
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@lowoverdrive. I kinda figured you knew an Mp3 from Flac, wav, etc since you are running linux. I'd guess your problem is the HT receiver. They usually put all their marbles in the pursuit of video which calls mostly for a narrow range of midrange with powered Subs doing the explosions. I know Outlaw used to make a music friendly HT receiver. But its been a long time since I've heard anything about them You may do something like take the $1k you were willing to spend on acoustic treatments and spend it on a Tube integrated amp instead. Here's an example. Not necessarily my 1st choice. Just an example. There are also some small one man companies which are producing very good tube products for a small price Also keep your eyes open for PrimaLuna integrated which often come up for sale on the used market. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jolida-Fusion-1102-Integrated-Stereo-Tube-Amplifier-Silver-/122608274219?_t... |
The OP has already sorted the harshness of his HT system. As for the idea to go for tube amplification, I think that is unwise. Many tube amplifiers do indeed have a warm top end, but that is quite simply because their frequency response is not flat. In short, they function as a very expensive and non-adjustable equalizer. As fh says, one can achieve the same with tone controls or an equalizer. |
@willemj Its obvious that you dislike tubes. That's fine. Just as obvious is your lack of experience and knowledge of them. The blanket statements below are wrong. Lets put them to rest The disadvantages of tubes are clear:Not to tube users. Many have traded multi thousand dollar amps, preamps, etc for cheaper tube amps which sounded better 1 high energy consumption (think of the environment)Really. Many if not most SS amps are left on continuously. Not the case with tubes. If you are that concerned with the environment you shouldn't have music and video systems which use energy anyway. read a book by candlelight. That's easier on the environment. 2 often very speaker load dependent frequency response (i.e. tube sound where an amplifier should not have a sound of its own.. What are you talking about....speaker efficiency? Everything has effect on the sound. I can change the sound of the music just by changing the roller ball material in my roller block footers. Wood is warmer than steel. My wife could hear the difference. bet you could too. 3 often pretty bad measured test results.The worst piece of equipment I ever had, also had the best specs. Your ears are the best measurement 4 Often quite low outputWhats wrong with low output? My Silverline speakers were exhibited with a 7 watt SET amp by the mfg. My amp is 35wpc. I would be glad to have you hear it. AAMOF the best sounding systems I've had were a 45wpc Harmon Kardon and this 35wpc Dynaco. The worst was 200wpc and 250wpc. You need to check into lower watt amps with 90-93db efficienct speakers. 5 expensiveMy Latino ST-70 was $1100. it replaced a $4k SS amp. There are many good tube amps for $1500 or under. I bought mine just to check into tubes. It was a keeper and the $4k SS amp was sold. BTW That amp has many great reviews. Its all about synergy. 6 hassleOK, you got me there. I do have to get up and turn the amp on whereas the SS amp was already on. I've had to replace a rectifier tube and a fuse in the 8 yrs I've had it |
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