New SS integrated choice....Rotel 1572Mk2, Audiolab 7000A, Exposure 2510


OK, got sick for awhile and off course on buying a new integrated to replace Marantz PM8005 to be moved to office. Looking to upgrade my sound quality overall.  (Was looking at Belles Aria but got off the record feedback units have been having some higher than average issue rates so I am moving onto other options.) Reviews online got me focused on 3 in particular, none of which I have heard before namely Rotel 1572MK2, Audiolab 7000a or 9000a and Exposure 2510. First two are readily available and I can get shipped to Hawaii free which is attractive as it saves $150-200. I want new because it ups odds of satisfaction especially as no techs in HI. Will drive Kef R300s or Ohm Walsh 2-100s in 14 x14 LR with arched 9 ft ceilings rising to 20 feet. Looking to keep costs below $3k new. I dont know what the "British" sound really means...only have heard Rega Brio which was fine but sideways move. Interested in feedback from anyone familiar with these brands, sound characteristics, reliability, etc. Aloha.

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I guess more detail, clarity and separation of instruments, more realistic sound of music.  That's about the best I can describe as since I have had only limited exposure to other Amps. My old SAE separates seemed to deliver that detail and separated instruments. My prior upgraded McIntosh mc250 sounds warmer but is less detailed but sounds real to my ears. I know I'm not articulating this well but I don't know that I can truly describe it in audiophile terms. I've seen the terms but I don't know that I truly know what the are if I have heard them. The current amp is clean but not as real sounding. It's a little warm to my ears but doesn't seem to separate instruments  out in a Soundstage with placement. My SAE did do that.

I live in Hawaii. No local audio dealers anymore, not for years.Thats the issue. No techs either. The few other friends  I had who were into audio were older and passed or stopped upgrading just due to age.  I usually  heard stuff during  travels or that they bought but been unable to  do much recently. I did lots of listening the last time I bought stuff 6 or 7 years ago and I have been happy with that gear but between the pandemic and current travel costs just been rooted. Not the ideal approach but kind of the way we live out here. Amazon and the internet is kind of a lifeline. Appreciate the input.

Audiolab is unfortunately more real on the internet than in the real physical world. Tom the owner, is focused on home theatre not stereo. He is not open most of the time during his stated hours. He is listed as representing multiple brands but if you are able to get into his shop when its open he rarely has anything to hear. The list of brands he reps changes constantly. I have tried to do business with him but it is actually hard as hell. I bought a pair of Gallo 3.1s from him years ago for a friend on Kauai then went back to buy an amp to go with them. He only had Audio Space and pushed that and acted like I was a fool for not linking it. I wasnt looking for tubes. My friend was 65 with cancer on an island with zero tech support. He needed something reliable, SS and good sounding.  Tom supposedly represented other brands but had nothing to hear other than AS.  Later on I tried to buy a pair of Gallo 3.5s from him for myself...FOR A YEAR! He never had them...they were on loan...he sold them and Gallo had not responded to his orders...blah blah. I called Gallo directly and they laughed and gave me other dealers in CA to call. Same thing when I wanted a pair of Special Edition Totem Sig Ones instead....he never responded. I heard them in his store and asked him to order a pair for me....crickets. It is hard when you are trying to support a local shop and they dont seem to care. (His one solid employee Shawn, who was pretty good (he sold me the Gallos for my friend) eventually left and formed his own shop because he was frustrated. His business died during the pandemic. I got one thing from him and it only took a phone call.) So, Audiolab supposedly exists but not really. Tom is a nice enough guy when you talk to him but I think its a hobby business. I stopped trying to work with the company after too much frustration and lack of response. I have been told by others of similar experiences so its not me.

The BB store idea is one I hadn't thought of. The last time I was in the store they were blasting some Mac amp with cheap speakers. But, who knows its only about 45 minutes from my place and I need to go to town anyway. Will have to read about the amp. I actually owned a Technics receiver decades ago and it wasn't bad. The Hegel review is interesting too though I havent heard their gear  in awhile. But I think Overture in DE carries them and my in laws live near there so I will be there in Q4. Longer than I was planning to get an amp but it would enable  me to hear stuff and buy up too. In the interim I'll check out Gene Rubin. Thx for all input.

The feedback I got was that the number of issues/failures on the Belles amps had risen materially in the last few years unlike ever before experience. This was stated by 2 different dealers OTR. Both said they were concerned about this and so while the line had good sound, given where I live and the concerns over reliability, they would suggest I try other brands. The fact it came up 2x concerned me. To be fair, in both conversations I directly questioned what brands were most reliable as well as sounding good and Belles was not the only one that came up. All mentions were about smaller manufacturers which frankly leads me to believe that its a QC issue in smaller shops. I was frankly discouraged because it was the one amp I had heard and really liked. I have spent hours researching other amps as a result and had found numerous reviews which helped generate the 3 I focused in on. Over the last day I have also read quite a bit about Musical Fidelity MS5i and am adding that to the list as well as the Hegel a member suggested. I was actually thinking last night maybe I would fly to the West Coast and hit a couple of dealers. But, it is sort of foolish to spend $3-5k to then buy a $3k item....unless I can somehow add in some other "must dos" and justify the whole thing. My wifes comment was just buy something higher priced  that ups the odds of being satisfied....i.e. spend the trip money on a new piece in say the $5-6k range. I may just go that way to get this whole thing done. I really just want to be able to enjoy my music not my gear.

Read the review referenced in the thread about the Hegel 120 as well as a few others. Curious about what those who might own this unit or others from Hegel can offer about 1) character of sound (I have read comments about "dark"...not sure what that means?), 2) reliability as owners. I checked in with a friend in AZ and he said he has a dealer near him that sells it. He is going to go in and check it out for me, see how it sounds, etc.

Thanks SOIX for all your input. I am going to wait until I go back to the Mainland and check out the HEGEL amps. It means I will end up waiting a bit or will get an interim unit that can later function as a backup in its box in the closet. I was listening to one of my systems last night had the thought of "what would be good separates"....almost forgot that this is driven in part by my wife wanting "less crap" in the living room.....