Network optimization for serious streamers


In my ongoing experiments, now going on seven years, with network optimization for streaming I've discovered a number of optimizations that should work with any ethernet ISP.

 

I've tried a variety of ethernet cables, modems, routers, switches, FMC, ethernet filters, the following is what I've found to be most effective optimizations.

 

I'll start with ISP quality and speed. Recently I discovered 500mbps to be preferable to 300mbps. Along with upgrade in speed, modem capable of 1gb service replaced 600mbps, both have Broadcom chips and powered by same lps. Can't say which more responsible for improvement, speed or modem, presume speed has at least some role in ping time. As for ISP, there is importance in ISP server geographic location to you, shorter distances  means lower ping time. For information as to how ping time affects jitter-https://www.fusionconnect.com/speed-test-plus/ping-jitter-test

 

Now for modems,  modem close to audio system is most favorable, extending coax cable preferable to long ethernet cable. Coax more resistant to rfi and closer positioning to system means one can more easily afford top quality ethernet cable for modem to router connection. The modem should use Broadcom chipset vs. inferior Intel Puma, Broadcom chipset has lower jitter vs the Intel. Modem should be powered via external lps using quality DC and AC cables, lps to power conditioner for ultimate performance.

 

Following close positioning of modem to audio system, router should also be placed near modem in service of same advantage of making highest quality ethernet cable more affordable, in this case, modem to router and router to switches, streamers and NAS. Router should be powered with lps, this lps should be able to provide more amps than router requires in service of providing greater reliability, having lps with reserves of amperage means lps runs cooler, heat is enemy of reliability, longevity. As with modem, quality dc, ac cables and connection to power conditioner.

 

The next finding is new to me, provides very meaningful upgrade to streaming sound quality. Noise from wifi, injected both internally to router and externally with routers sitting close to audio systems has long been a concern to me. I have quality Trifield meter which measures rfi, router with operational wifi manufacture obscenely high levels of rfi, rfi is noise, noise is enemy of streaming at level we're talking about here. And its very likely the more wifi devices one has in home the higher the levels of rfi produced. This noise is then injected into following cables and streaming equipment. One may convince themselves FMC totally isolates this noise, and while correct, it doesn't mitigate the noise and masking going on within router. The only way to eliminate this noise is turning off wifi. And then, how to provide wifi for the many  wifi devices we have at home? The answer is to connect a second router to the primary router. The primary router will only provide ethernet for streamers, switches and/or NAS in audio system, also for the second router.  Second router provides wifi for the home, this scheme keeps vast majority of rfi out of audio system streaming chain. My own measurements find rfi significantly diminished in primary router, more than mulitiples of ten times lower vs wifi enabled. This was seamless install with the Netgear routers I'm using. There may also be value in provisioning higher quality routers. My new primary router, Netgear XR1000 is marketed as a gamer router, claims of lower ping time, latency, jitter vs other routers. Since my old router, Netgear RS7000 didn't have means to monitor ping time I can't provide evidence of this claim. Whatever the case, my XR1000 ping time test measurements are as follows, 25.35ms highest, 16.50ms lowest, this is A+ measurements against objective criteria. Ping time under load is download 25.93ms, upload 37.34ms, idle 17.31ms, this rates as A. My speed of 565gbps rates B grade, likely need 1gb service to get A here. At to how this all pertains to sound quality, adding up the upgrade in ISP speed and the off loading of wifi is without a doubt one of the most substantial, if not most substantial network upgrades I've experienced. While I  long considered my setup as having a vanishing low noise floor, with this setup I heard a new level of vanishing if such a thing is possible. Even more astounding was a more analog like presentation, while I wasn't aware of even the slightest digital presentation prior, this upgrade certainly exposed it was indeed there. It seems logical to conclude there has been some lowering of jitter here.

 

And then we come to the ethernet filter. I suppose audiophile switches can be considered as one, then we have actual filters such as Network Acoustics Muon, my JCAT Net XE and others. I continue to believe these necessary even with the all measures above.

 

Optical conversion is also valid approach post router. While I found generic FMC somewhat effective, at this point I prefer ethernet. On the other hand I've not yet tried optimizing a fiber solution, for example two Sonore OpticalModules, both powered by lps, further upgraded with Finisar optical transceivers.

 

Assuming one has high resolving audio and streaming systems the above network optimizations should provide for substantial sound quality improvements. In my system, perception of performers in room has been taken to a new level of intimacy, meaning a more emotional connection to the performers and performance.

 

At this point, I consider network has been fully optimized, the only upgrade I'm aware of would be ISP upgrade to 1gb.

sns

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@agisthos Just for curiosities sake I looked for ability to assign these setting to ports, didn't see this in my Netgear router. Regardless, I hear better SQ with 500mb vs 300, 1gb may soon be tried. But then I'm running JCAT Net XE in my streamer, this pretty much mirrors what any audiophile switch does.

 

@rfagon My flow chart is somewhat different due to JCAT net in my streamer, otherwise pretty typical.Spectrum ISP 500mb>via coax to Spectrum supplied modem (lps and Broadcom chip, telephony disconnected)>Netgear router via short run of Audioquest Vodka LAN cable, LPS>NAS, streamer and wifi router-NAS powered via LPS, streamer has JCAT NET XE card-this filters and clocks network, also dedicated lps, doesn't use streamer motherboard power. All LAN cables AQ Vodka.

 

The above would be end of network for vast majority of streamers. Now I use two streamer setup, first is used as server-maintains music software library and processes one of three music player,(this is Roon core in case of Roon), second is usb renderer and roon or Stylus music player endpoints. I use optical conversion between first and second streamer, this via ethernet out via same JCAT Net XE, has two LAN ports>OpticalModule powered by LPS, this via  AQ Vodka>OpticalRendu via AfterDark Ref optical cable, OR powered by LPS,>DAC via AQ Diamond usb cable. All LPS go to my BPT 3.5Sig power conditioner.

@agisthos I understand that, simply can't find this ability to assign speed to individual ports. I have pretty good knowledge of Netgear interface, even in advanced settings don't see this ability. In any case, the only reason I could imagine this works for you is less processing required for lower speed, resulting in lower noise generated. Also, possible better integration with other network devices is cause? I mentioned the incoming speed as it directly influences output speed, in my case higher output speed sounds better. I can get 1gig service, perhaps outcome may change?

 

In regard to those using FMC devices or fiber ISP. Another 20 hours on 1475 transceivers and AfterDark reference optical cable. Again, may sound like excess exuberance, but these things are the real deal!  Easily heard upgrade in resolution and transparency, meaningful in that I now can far more easily hear venue in which each recording and/or performer performed in. In other words feels like I'm bringing the recording venue into my listening room, this indivdualization never so clearly heard in past. This sense of extracting max info at a microscopic level is unknown to me, Beyond resolution and transparency,  most natural and musical presentation ever heard with digital, less reflectivity in cable and superior jitter suppression in 1475 means more natural flow/timing. Present sound quality now competes or exceeds any system heard previously, and this based on listening to probably thousands of audiophile systems over now nearly fifty years. In any case I have no more streaming upgrades planned or desired, barring unforeseen innovations I'm done.

 

Keep in mind my use of 1475 is for network device AND streamer, used in purely network devices may result in less dramatic outcome. Also, I'd not blame 1475 for any lack of musicality or coloration, this is colorless device. Less than satisfactory results would be due to 1475 uncovering flaws elsewhere in system. Ignoring colorations, jitter performance is objectively better with 1475, this should always be good thing.

@singingg Nice, very thorough explanation with many iterations you've tried.

 

Optical vs ethernet seems a tossup, optical inherently filters, various ethernet filters also do fine job with lessening noise.

As Charles mentioned one can make this as complex or simple as one likes. I happen to enjoy complexity and experimentation,this isn't a burden for me, and based on many posts in this thread, not a burden for those folks. Experiential learning  happens to be a favored method for gaining knowledge for many. I don't understand the criticism of us who choose this path, its not like we're proposing objective truths, merely our experiences with a variety of network devices and configurations. In essence we are gathering a sample size in order to determine whether various network devices or configurations are effective or not.

 

I understand some believe networks make little or no difference for streaming sound quality. Others maintain only simple or the least complex setups effective, and others only certain brand or model devices effective. I'm rather agnostic when it comes to other's specific network configurations or devices used. I also hold this view in regard to entire audio systems, I accept that people assemble audio systems for their own pleasure and tastes.

 

I may not agree with other's choices but I'm not going to deride those choices. ASR is a forum for the objectivist, I generally find this forum to be tolerant towards other's choices, observing streaming becoming more contentious over time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some have positive experience with audiophile switches, likely poorest performing 'upgrade' ever experienced for me. So, was it particular switch chosen, switches in general, switch in my particular network to blame? I could jump to some overarching conclusion, not worth much for others IME. This experience also points to simpler is better, router direct to streamer vs router to switch to streamer. Should I conclude simpler better for everyone?