I have the KHS 188, and the NA12165. the stock 12165 is superior in detail, but is a little slow. Replacing the connectors, cryoing, and a couple other tricks totally transform this cable. The modified 12165 has been put up against Argent, Acoustic Zen, and Van den Hul. Beat all but one, and that was a tie. I am getting 4 more spools of 12165 now, for my custom installations, etc..