Need New amp or integrated...have some options


OK, posted a few days ago looking at a CLASSDAUDIO option to replace a dying McIntosh MC250. After lots more research, I dont think I am going that way now just to get this done, no time for testing. Thinking I am going to go integrated and use later as a backup. Been looking around on the Gon/USA/TMR etc for options and have seen a few things that I am either familiar with or have actually heard. In Hawaii, so it is a "blind faith Hail Mary" kind of buy for the most part. I see a Rega Elex mkii that gets good writeups at a good price for a demo unit. Also, some Rogue Sphinx V3/Magnum and Rotel A14mk2 and a larger Rotel 1572mk2 units and a few Marantz Model 50 and 30 and an Exposure 2510. Only one of these I have heard is the Rogue Sphinx in V3 form. All have enough power on paper, some allow for 2 sets of speakers which is a plus, some even have pre out option so I can use it as my pre with remote down the line. I probably sound a little crazy right now but I am trying to solve multiple problems (2 dead amps actually) and balance good sound now with options for down the road with this eventually being either a backup unit or moving to my office. I am interested especially in the Rega and Rotel input. I heard a Brio years ago and it impressed for what it was. Never heard modern Rotel. I like Marantz and had a PM8005 but thinking that I should try a different sound/pov. This stuff is entry level or one step up I know. (My wife quashed going into a higher investment by reminding me of other priorities (new car, paying for a river cruse she wants to do) so marital harmony takes precedence after 35 years.)  Anyone familiar with the sound, operation or reliability of these units, I appreciate your input. There is no substitute for others considered opinions given no options to listen. I kind of just want to get this done as I have other pressing things to address.  Mahalo.

joekapahulu

Ok, thanks for the responses from all of you. Some feedback. I dont run 2 sets of speakers simultaneously. I do want, if possible, the option of being able to run an A or B. My Walshs are good for daytime and bad for night as they dont handle low volume well. So, that is why I have my old Spendor S3/5 monitors and Kef R300s. I use those at night as they sound better at low volume and I dislike headphones. ( I am looking down the line at potentially replacing most of all of these speakers but that is likely1-2 years out.) I use the Spendors in my home office most of the time. I rather not use a speaker switch as I have one and agree it reduces the sound quality.

Budget is say $2-4k to as the stretch if I buy short term. I am replacing my wife's 2006 Honda and paying for a trip she wants to do, so that is depleting the "fun money" budget amidst stock market volatility. Kind of why I started with the Class D thing because of the illusion of cheap for a good amp....good but misplaced value proposition.

I have a Marantz PM8005 in another system and I like the sound...just wanted to get better/different approach. The Rogue is not my favorite idea tho I like the Cronus but the heat and the fact it sounds solid state to me disqualifies that.

A tube pre is ok but a full on tube amp that is hot wont work. Its almost 90 here today and its May. Adding more heat is not going to work. So, I am stuck in SS or hybrid world.

The 2 Ebay ads are on another island and high freigt too. I am intrigued by the Bryston so thanks for that. I will contact that guy. My cousin lives over there and could check it out. I also know Bryston gear is well made though I think that unit is kind of old.

I think the Hegel and Musical Fidelity ideas seem like the things to research some. I have never heard either but I know from reading on the forum that they both seem to be well received. Some noise about service from MF being bad but we will see. I have mostly focused on new, demo or maybe refurbed as they come with some form of warranty.

BTW, I did go yesterday to the one shop on island with whom I have done business before. Owner is a nice guy but totally focused on tube amps and very high end. He played a wonderful sounding Sun Audio tube SET amp and some fabulous Audio Physik Sparks speakers for me...$13k I think. He kind of focuses on what he is promoting vs what you are looking for and because he knew me he was excited to show me something new. I did very much enjoy the system but it is not going to work for my needs right now. Best he could do was a new Luxman 505Z which he did not have to audition. So, I kind of go back to the idea of buying a "fill-in" to carry me...not because I am a gambler per se but it is a coping mechanism for living in the middle of the ocean. Sorry, getting diverted....I appreciate all the input and wisdom and experience from all of you on this site. As music/audio are my main hobby in retirement, this is one of the sites that keeps me from boredom...

I’ve owned quite a few integrateds within your budget. The standouts are Yamaha’s MOSFET powered series (A-S2100 or 2200), the Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum 2, and the Axxess Forté1 (within your budget used). Most others were good to mediocre but did not connect me with the music. I like Rogue’s full tube products but I would avoid their hybrid amps. I’ve owned both the Sphinx V2 and Pharaoh. Both were mediocre in my system and left me cold. 

The Axxess Forte1 is my current integrated. It doesn’t compete with $20K of separates (hardly any integrateds do) but it does remarkably well and most importantly, draws my attention toward the music rather than having me critique its performance every time I sit down. A bonus is you can leave it powered on 24/7 with negligible power draw. I preferred this integrated to a Luxman 507Z in a back-to-back comparison. 

The Rogue CM2—great sounding amp—engaging, but was noisy in my system. Allegedly they addressed the noise floor in their mk3 revision. If so, I think it is a no-brainer if you can live with the heat of tubes. One thing the CM does particularly well is throw an extremely wide soundstage—on par with megabuck amps. To my ears it only sounds solid-state in the good ways but offers plenty of tube bloom and dimensionality. 

I’ve also liked Rega integrateds throughout multiple auditions. They tend to have excellent PRaT. 
 

 

A budget figure might help the discussion.

My vote on class D is the Peachtree Carina GaN. 200W. Has a DAC. Lovely sound. Very accommodating footprint and would have generally high WAF. Not a 2-pair speaker amp, though. $3K. But you are setting aside class D, now. Not a difficult ship to Hawai'i.

I would vote for the Yamaha A S1200/2200/3200 units. Very clean, lovely cabinet. Excellent sound. ~90W. You would need a separate DAC.

The JBL SA750 is a one-box solution 120W Class"G" which is a hybrid class-A/AB. Has a DAC and streamer. Vintage look in a good way.

The new Heaven 11 Billie Mk3 is about to hit the market, offering a hybrid tube pre with class D amp, with a choice of either Hypex or ICEPower. I haven't heard it but the pre-release reviews are good.

If you are considering a tube integrated, I can suggest the Audio Research i/50 which is excellent. Class-AB, operates on 6550s in the power section. It can be optioned with both an AR DAC and a MM Phono pre, as in-the-box modules. $6.5K-8K new but there are regularly nice examples used at about $4K, some even with the module upgrades. I bought one used, fully optioned, and like it very much.

 

 

My brother had a  Hegel cannot remember the model and loved it have heard good things about Yanaha

Mark Levinson 5805 or 5803 integrated used. You could also look for a used Luxman L-505uxII. These are awesome integrateds that you can live a lifetime with.