Need Help Matching to This System To Speakers


New member here, and I would like some assistance on bookshelf speakers to match a "mostly" new system I have put together over the past year. I am looking to spend between $2,000 and $4,000 for a pair of bookshelfs.....This is only a 2 channell audio set up. It will be a new system, in a new first floor remodel. I will have the tube and solid state amps to drive the single set of speakers.

I am an engineer, and have over researched the subject and am now completely moved to "inaction" by an overwhelming list of speakers. The speakers MUST be bookshelfs, as that was my agreement with my wife when she agreed to all of the new equipment and cable purchases.....the Thiel CS3.6 speakers have already been sold. Something I never wanted to do. I will be adding a REL T/5X or T/7X sub as well.

My listening tastes are classic rock, 80/90s new age rock, southern rock, blues, old school rap, some country, some grunge, some newer rock, etc. I do not listen to classical, jazz, opera, orchestra, etc. Well recorded (if possible) is just as important to me. You are likely to find me listening to Pink Floyd, Supertramp, Radiohead, Gorillaz, REM, Black Keys, Talking Heads, Depeche Mode, Tom Petty, Gary Clark Jr. Chris Stapleton, Little Feat, Alice in Chains, NWA, Eminem. My listening style has changed over the last 15 years, I do not tend to listen at high volumes....enough to fill the space is sufficient for me. I'd like to listen more often, not louder.

My listening area is 12' x 20' with 8' ceilings in a relatively open floor plan, with a sitting position about 8.5' from the speakers, open concept room with hardwood floors. It will have couches/chairs/curtains/area rugs/ but doubt wife will go for acoustic treatments. I will be placing the speakers 12" to 18" at most from the front wall.

Suggestion on speakers is welcome, and hopefully I've done a good job with associated equipment; I found some great information on these threads. Also AXPONA is here is Chicago this year, so I may get to listen to some of these speakers. Thank you in advance for your constructive input.

Speakers on my too large list: Ascend Sierra 2EX, Buchardt S400 MkII, Philharmonic BMR, Triangle 40th Anniversary Comete, Dynaudio Evoke 20 and Special 40, ProAc Tablette 10 Signature, Xavian Perla, Amphion Argon 3S, Totem Sky or Signature 1, Arendal 1723, Tannoy Autograph Mini, Spendor Classic 4/5, Harbeth 7ES-3 XD, Paradigm Founders 40B, ????

NOT a fan of B&W, Klipsch, Focal, Def Tech, Polk, B&O, KEF, ELAC, JBL.

Components: NuPrime AMG-STA Amp, Denafrips Pontus II DAC, Onkyo C-7030 CD Player, Denafrips Hestia Pre-Amp, Tubes4HiFi VTA ST-120 Tube Amp (KT120 Tubes), Bluesound Node (3?) Streamer, Schiit Magni Headphone Amp, Sennheiser HD599 Headphones, Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner, Dedicated 20AMP 120V Circuit - Furutech FPX Gold Wall Sockets

Cables: Pangea Audio AC-9 SE MkII Cables (Power Amps) & AC14-SE MkII Cables (Signal Components), Morrow Audio MA-4 Analog Co-Ax Pairs, MA-4 Analog XLR Pairs, DIG 4 Digital Co-Ax Singles, ANTICABLES Level 3.1 Reference Speaker Wires, Wireworld Chroma 8 Ethernet & Starlight 8 USB, Supra Cat 8 Ethernet, Oyaide Neo USB D+, KableDirect TOSLINK Professional Optical Digital

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Gents thanks for the fast responses, and I agree 100% regarding finding local dealers and ordering speakers on-line that I can return if don't love them.....that is what I did with my electronics and cables over the past year. The problem at a local dealer, is they will not have my electronics and cables to audition with; and the problem ordering on line is is the time frames, and packing and shipping (and paying) for returning speakers.

As I mentioned AXPONA is here in Chicago this year, and I'm hoping that may help auditioning as well. The beauty with a forum like this and reaching a larger audience, is someone may have some Denafrips, Nuprime, or Tubes4HiFi gear with similar cables; and can share that experience.

Guys, thank you for taking the time to write the posts; it is truly appreciated! A few responses:

(1) I will not be driving any speakers with both amps at the same time, but the Denafrips Pre-Amp does give me the option to run 2 amps to a single set of speakers with just moving the speaker out cables. I know there are a few "2-in-1 out" switch boxes, but guessing that would degrade SQ.

(2) I've added several speakers you guys recommended to try to find a demo listening situation, I do live in Chicagoland with several good hi-fi shops....I've got appointments at 2 higher end shops this week to see if I can get some clarity.....Music Direct is an option as well, but no listening room. I will attempt to hear some of the speakers recommended here......at shops or AXPONA in a few weeks. Doubt that the Klipsch speakers will pass the wife test, so far the only ones she remotely liked were the Zu Soul Supreme and and Soul VI.

(3) I know it is hard to understand my wife having "veto power" on speakers, but we are spending a lot of money on the remodel and I can understand her position. Trust me, the Thiels would never have been sold otherwise.....they were my forever speakers. It's just not an option for me, and a fight I will not win. Sun Tzu has a lot that can be applied here, but "who wishes to fight, must first consider the cost" seems appropriate.

(4) Yes I do not like bright speakers, and sibilance drives me crazy. That being said, the Denafrips Pontus II/Hestia combination is a touch warm, the tube amp is the same, and the Nuprime amp sounded neutral based on the short listening period I had with it. So detailed speakers that are not harsh should be fine.

Jss49, when you say ’bookshelf speakers’ you mean relatively small standmounted speakers yes?

Yes. A friend of hers has some gorgeous pair ProAc standmounts that look and sound beautiful....that's something like what I'll end up with. It's apparently worth $10,000 worth of new electronics to acheive that for her.

I even have a pair of Thiel CS1.2 (a narrow speaker) that don't make the cut. That battle is lost unfortuntately.

Here's a short update. Yesterday I visited a local dealer that carries a few of the speakers that I wanted to listen that are on my list (and some that weren't), and updated a few things. Please note I am not great with flowery expressions, or technical descriptions:

(1) Got a nice commission check yesterday I wasn't expecting, so raised my maximum price to $5,000 a pair

(2) Confirmed that I do not like Focal speakers, just don't do it for me emotionally when listening; always felt like I was listening to a pair of speakers (if that makes sense)

(3) Eliminated the Dynaudio Evoke 20, if I buy Dynaudio it will be the Special 40 or Contour 20 (if I can find them on a sale). All I can say is "damn Gina", these speakers are amazing. Big sound stage, can move around and still have some semblance of "seated postition" audio. Bass was very fast/punchy if not deep, mids are incredible, and tweeter was just a touch bright but very detailed.

(4) Triangle Comete 40th anniversary stays on the list. I didn't get too long to audition these, as my time ran out.....was only able to get 4 or 5 tracks from Supertramp Crime of the Century, but wow wow

(5) Audio Physic Step Plus need some listening.....just hearing their demo tracks, great sound stage, almost couldn't pinpoint the speakers with my eyes shut; but didn't have true listening time

(6) Dali Rubicon and Epicon. Epicon is a phenominal speaker, but above the new price range.....Rubicon was outclassed by the Dyanaudio and Tringle speakers for same of less money

More listening ahead as I'm going to another dealer tomorrow, and met a guy who has the Buchardt S400 MkIIs and Sierra 2EX in his setups and he invited me for a listen