Need a sut for Hana ml


I hava a Cary ph301 phono stage Mc has 60dB at 100 Ohms  it’s to much gain for cartridge,  I tried 1:10  into mm input  , gain much better but it produced 470 Ohms sounds more like my Hana sl,  the Hana  ML needs >100 Ohms ,what ratio sut should I use ,any advise would be appreciated ,thank you ,and happy holidays.
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It sounds much different at 100 ohms tone wise better , but noisy to much gain, so I think maybe 150 to 200 ohms will do. The Hana sl sounds good at 470 ohms the Hana ml sounds to stringent

The SL and ML have similar gain - 0,5mv and 0.4mv respectively, so gain should be the same, The ML is a crisper sounding cartridge, the SL is soft sounding. Although the SL is 30ohms vs the ML 8ohms, what you are hearing is more the cartridge sound than the loading/gain implications, and you might be chasing a rabbit down a hole trying to fix it. Have you rechecked set up including VTA which will need to be more exacting with the ML stylus profile.

@bobsdevices 
I have used both the Hana SL and Hana ML as demo cartridges at audio shows, and have experimented with many different step up ratios. The Hana SL is perfect at 1:10. The Hana ML is perfect at 1:20. I highly recommend 1:20 with the ML into MM inputs.
Could you explain why you think the Hana SL (0.5mv output) is perfect @1:10 which generates 5mv into the moving magnet input, but on the other hand you claim that the Hana ML (0.4mv output) is perfect @1: 20 which generates 8mv into a standard MM input.

You are claiming that for the Hana ML 8mv into all MM inputs is perfect.
In my experience this is far from the truth, too much gain can result in running the volume pot at the bottom of its range where channel imbalance is at its worst. 

This highlights the problem with using SUTs like you sell, where load and gain are determined by the turns ratio, and much of the time suboptimal loads and or gain structures result, which is what the OP is trying to avoid.

I highly recommend 1:20 with the ML into MM inputs.
How can you possibly make a blanket statement like this without knowing the electrical parameters of the MM input.