Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

Showing 8 responses by coralkong

ASR is a joke for people who want to think that their $500 (insert source piece of equipment here) is just as good, if not better than a $15000 (insert source piece of equipment).

ASR's "measurements" PROVE it's better!

They lost me for good after hooking up a $400 power cable to a $500 DAC and then stating that it measures, and therefore sounds, exactly the same as a $30 power cable hooked to the same DAC. Uh-huh. 

The entire process is flawed.

@amir_asr ,

Funny how you regress to passive/aggressive mannerisms when you get called out.

Put the multimeter down and try listening with your ears. You might be amazed at what you discover.

Go ahead and tell me that my "boutique" audio setup sounds the same with a $30 power cable and a $500 power cable. Go ahead and tell me that again.

See, here's the rub. Once you know better, you know. And no one can convince you otherwise.

So quit trying to "save the world" from itself, and try listening to the music. 

Your channel is a joke, pandering to fools who are desperately trying to convince themselves that their $500 (insert piece of equipment here) is just as good as a $15K (insert piece of equipment here).

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, really.

 

"What should make you upset is folks paying orders of magnitude more, only to get a less performant audio device."

I think this about sums it up. Got to save the world from itself.

I feel sorry for the people who blindly believe the BS you're throwing down on your channel. IMO, it's irresponsible and a disservice to the hi-fi community.

I was done with ASR a while ago, and you haven't changed my opinion.

Because once you know, you know. And I DO know. And I'm old enough and my equipment is good enough that I CAN hear differences when I swap out (whatever piece of equipment you'd like to insert here). I trust my judgement. IOW, I trust my ears, (whether you can measure that or not, I don't really care). I don't need your measurements or validation. I don't need your approval. I don't need your channel. And I absolutely don't need your passive aggressive, condescending snarky comments.

Have a great day.

 

 

 

 

 

What it boils down to is "soul".

You can’t measure, nor quantify "soul" with a MM or an oscilloscope.

You’ve either got it, or you don’t.

I like my way better.

 

 

 

Someone’s a little butt-hurt.

Isn’t this the review where you hook the $400 power cable into the $500 DAC, listen through headphones, measure the heck out of it, and then claim it makes no difference?

 

Then you got called out on GR’s channel (in the end......by name).

You’re a tool, man. The more you post on here, the less my opinion of you. You’re not a professional, you’re a wannabe. Try not to be butt-hurt, it’s unprofessional. "Desperately clinging to the straws of credibility."

 

You’re certainly entitled to hook up and measure whatever you want, and report whatever "findings" you come up with.

I just hope people can see through it.

"Pearls before swine."

 

 

What an absolute debacle of a post, lol.

The Kraken, the serf, and tons of useless measurements. It's all here,folks.