My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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There are very few people who have the time/money/desire to start a YouTube channel. My friend, who has the system I just mentioned does not have the inclination. You have to have big passion and big "balls" to want to do this.....you have both......good on you. My friend goes to shows and he has only heard two systems that he likes maybe better than his (and this was before he changed amps ,etc.:......the Alsyvox panels and the Borreson babys. He is using the Lii Audio 10 inch drivers ($1200) the pair.

This is a hobby of "every man for himself". There is no way to compare a DIY tweaked out thing to a $100,000 commercial speaker......People who are DIY......do not generally buy expensive stuff that they can beat for fractions of the money......why would they. Once you know as much as us tweakers....you cannot take standard speakers very seriously....at least for the money. Most Audiophiles know nothing of what is inside a speaker or how it works....pretty simple really. But you have to WANT to know. Once you know, you can never go back. It is so much fun to make your own speakers, etc....and you get sound that is crazy good and cannot be dupicated unless you spend 10 or more times the money.....even then...maybe not.

But, it is those that have played with things that know. You know about expensive toys you can buy at a store....that is all you know. You do not know that the binding posts on your speakers are wrecking the sound....and the same with the spades on your expensive speaker cables. You do not know that the parts in the Focal xover are not the best in the world. You do not know that they do not wire directly to the voice coil wire on the woofers or midranges so they are not getting all the sound that is possible. You do not know what Ground Enhancers do, what speaker rf filters do or what Bybee Quantum clarifiers do when mounted on the back of a magnet. You simply do not know these things because you have not listened to them.

We each do our thing. You are doing a great thing. It serves those that it serves. But, yes, you can get the kind of sound you have for way, way, way less money and have your creative juices flowing way more than just "buying things". You will never know what you are missing unless you try.......or as Yoda would say......no try....DO.....................unless you come out of your comfort zone.....you will not learn anything new. Life is infinite.....infinite possibilities.

I keep coming here thinking maybe I will learn something or you will show me something I do not know.....but it has not happened yet.......but, since my mission on this planet is to help people feel better about themselves and to help them in any way I can.......then I comment occasionally to help shine a light on a "different way of looking".....that will touch those that are so inclined. Most that come to this forum cannot "hear" what I say......but a few will be touched......and it will make a difference in their stereo.....but mostly in their lives.......because what we really want to be.....is to be happy. And happiness comes when you know "you are enough"......right now and forever. You do not need to prove anything....you do not need to have anything. You can drink the love and joy of life with every breath.....you are infinite joy. Be a smile millionaire......its free! Enjoy every moment.....yes, I give you permission....the universe has always given you permission........will you take it? Will you breath in the love and joy that is ever present? You choose. I hope you choose love.

Since there is nothing but God loving itself.....then, it is always God talking to itself. So, when I write something here......it is for me, as well. If I am not walking the talk then it is just words.....more and more I commit each day to living the truth of my soul....to be the best person I can......to appreciate, be inspired by and to bless every single person on the planet.....and on other planets.....he he....as Buzz says....to infinity and beyond.

Hi Jay = Have you had Emile do a “checkup” to make sure your Taiko Extreme is properly dialed in given the driver updates, etc?

Best, Michael

rbach I have only checked in a few times so have not seen anything from Jay on acoustics. I'd be happy to send pics and have asked where to send.

I don't believe I have heard a room that added absorption, diffusion or a combination of both on the front wall that did not significantly improve the listening experience. 

I am not aware of how important HD video is to Jay but if it is a second choice I would remove the projection screen altogether experiment with a large surface area of absorption/diffusion and get the image focus and image size dialed in. I would then replace the screen with a ceiling mount tab tensioned screen and enjoy both systems. 

Again I have seen the early portion of Jays journey and not much else so these may be moog points.  

With all that you do, you must have a loving wife and family who understands your journey.  You are a lucky man.  

@willgolf

That is correct. I do have her support.

 

@gtaphile

I can’t remove the screen because I also use the room as a movie room. I have to watch Disney flicks with my daughter. When i built the room, it was also for us to spend family time together.

I am going to be partnering with a company who will assist me remotely with more room treatments. I will remove my old rectangular GIK Acoustics panels and insert something better. The room will get a lot better but always keeping in mind that movie nights have to be a part of its functionality.

Once you go with a projector, you can’t watch TV in a small screen anymore. It’s impossible. There is no going back.

Tonight, i won't be listening to music. I'm a little tired and want to sit back and watch a good movie.