whitecamaross
You mentioned somewhere in one of your posts a second set of speakers ? Are you using both sets of speakers for these trials ? Are these impressions of the amps for just with ML or both ? One might not get the same results once different speakers are introduced . Different pre's /processors will affect the way a amp sounds as well . Lots of variables to put a blanket statement on a amps qualities . |
whitecamaross I thought your ml have powered bass ? Is it the mids and highs these amps are running . Or is my memory of reading about your speakers fogged ? |
whitecamaross
We are living vicariously through you . The takeaway should be these findings are with your system . Other’s purchasing decisions should not necessarily be finalized on your findings . Keep it going . |
Going to the dark side with class D ? Look forward to these reviews ! Put Exogal Comet/Ion on the list to audition please . |
1 for sure is Audioquest . The other two sound similar and kinda flat sounding . Especially the highs |
You just need a good quality step down converter |
My bad you need a step up converter not step down |
Unfortunately no . I bought a step up converter for a Silvaweld preamp years ago though . From my research it did not have to be expensive . Are there audiophile converters ? probably not . Almarg probably will have a good suggestion . |
Check out Douglas Shroeders review on Dagogo of the Exogal . As a point of reference i drive Electrostats with it . King Sound ks17 . The ion amp is stable down to 2ohms . |
whitecamarros . Before you shell out those big bucks there is another system you should look into . The Exogal /ion dac/amp combo . Retail under 8k . They have streamers coming to market either as i type or very soon . They will also have a more powerful amp coming this year . |
whitecamaross - we need system pics !!!!
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Don't all revels have a even frequency response ? Flat bass . How is Monitor Audio in that regard ? Sounds like you like da bass . Get rid of the Revels man . |
whitecamaross - It would be interesting to throw in some lesser priced amps for a litmus test . Im talking way less priced . Curious minds want to know . In a lesser price range just think of the fun you could have . 10x more amps to evaluate . No worry about reselling at a loss . You might find a real sleeper that beats these mega buck amps . |
I put forth the less expensive amp comparison for the reason he could put the extra money he might save into the Martin Logan Neoliths he's spoken about wanting but financially not ready for yet . My experience is speakers have the most profound improvement with the room coming close second . |
"One thing i wanted to mention to you guys that aren't too familiar with the black system is that the black system is 100% digital. It does not use xlr or rca connections between its dac/preamp and the amps. It uses ST FIBER OPTIC cables so the entire signal from the preamp/dac to the amps stays in the digital domain. "
This is where the Blacks universal sound quality from bad to good recordings is coming from . There are two other manufacturers that I know of that are doing this . Lyngdorf and Exogal . |
Yes the detail is intoxicating . I get transfixed on how lifelike my system is . Hard to let the mind wander when listening . Each pluck of a guitar string or whatever instrument is playing makes me just think wow ! But I will take that over something less lifelike . |
Here ya go . Under budget . Put the saved money towards the Neoliths ! Crown XLS2502 Bridged monos . Around $1500 new
Number of Channels: 2 Power Class: Class D Watts/Side @ 8 ohms: 440W Watts/Side @ 4 ohms: 775W Watts/Side @ 2 ohms: 1200W Watts Bridged: 2400W @ 4 ohms, 1550W @ 8 ohms Inputs: 2 x XLR, 1 x stereo RCA, 2 x 1/4" Outputs: 2 x speakON, 2 x Binding Posts Cooling System: Efficient Forced-air Fans DSP: Yes Filters: Yes Rack Spaces: 2U Height: 3.5" Depth:
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Excellent ! Hope you can find a amp in that price range that works for you . Really want you to get the Neoliths and review them ! |
They should be similar to the Belcanto Black sound , both Hypex amp modules ? |
"I was surprised you let the 925s go, as you indicated, they were the best you ever had. Enjoy ! MrD."
That is the standard "hyping up of the item " before he puts them up for sale . LOL . Joking in a kind way ! |
The Gryphon looks like it should have wheels and clean your carpet like a Roomba |
Get the Neoliths !!!!!! The room the Neoliths were in last RMAF was not terribly big . If those room dimensions are obtainable that will tell you if they will work in your room. That rig with the Audio Research gear and Neoliths literally made my eyes leak . Crazy intensity from the realism of those Neoliths . If you get them and want to sell I would be a potential buyer ! |
Install it on your refrigerator for the 500 hours |
Whitecamaros - Listen to Bela Fleck - The secret drawer Crank the volume !! I am sure I did not need to tell you that though ! |
whitecamaross hasn't checked back in since before the weekends setup of the Vivid speakers- Is this good or bad ? |
Whitecamaross - Knowing you like stats ,I have a stat for you . King Sound KS17 . One year old , current model .Looking to sell my pair . I know its not the household brand you like to buy and sell usually , but I think the price I am willing to Let them go at you would be safe . P.M if interested . |
WC - Gaia Feet are a necessity with the Focals
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WC - What amp or amps did you like best with your Martin Logans ? |
What differentiates mid fi from hifi in regards to amps ? You either have enough power or you don't to drive speakers ? |
Those who mentioned Symphonic , Are the Odyssey amps clones ? I recall seeing symphonic on Oddyesseys web page . He might be a dealer for them ? Would this be a cheaper Symphonic ? Thanks,mike. |
Anyone here know the size of the demo room for the Neoliths at the last RMAF ? That room was not huge and great sound was had .
viber6 - I have the newest Kingsound KS17 . I am looking to sell . Told wc he should think about them . There are 18'' wide . I also own the first generation King - King . Need to sell the ks17 for financial reasons . |
Whitecamarros - I am curious if you have ever been to a show ? Also wonder what other speakers you lust for that you have yet to have at home ? |
mikepaul - Whitecamaross contemplated the Paradigm Persona. Hopefully he will get to them . Great detail and imaging like stat speakers. Very impressed as I have owned stats for the last 10 years . The demo ar RMAF 2017 was terrific. |
Theres a pair of KingSound KS-17 electrostatic for sale here on Audiogon right now for a great price ! Just sayin . |
If it is indeed the Neolith , I am afraid the speaker portion of wc's journey will come to an end . |
If it is the Audio Research he is getting the Neolith ! |
There are a pair of Momentum for sale at Higherfi for 30k |
If you go the scientific route to setting up your system with measurements and eq you will undoubtedly not need to spend 50k on amplification . |
As longtime electrostat owner my experience is the 100 watt exogal ion digital amplifier drives my King Sound speakers to 90 db without distortion . Room is 20x17 vaulted ceiling to 10' I have tried Krell cx series amps and much preffered the 100 watt Ion . No desire hear to chase large watt amplifiers any longer . |
WC - Thought you were getting some Audio research tube amps as well ? |
WC - Now can you come to a realization that more money does not mean better sound ? Please say yes ! |
This opens up hundreds more amps in the 3k range . Lets go crazy lets get nuts . 5 amps at a time now.
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The next technology for strictly digital use is the digital amps , not class d. Exogal and Lyndorf are two I am aware of . Glowing reviews for both makers . Something just right with their sound . |
Passives and electrostatic are a great combo ! |
How much does WC owe for the therapy session above ? . Is he a lesser audiophile for trucking through gear ? I say no he is not . Enjoy the ride WC |
Wc - What can we look forward to you trying in the near future ? Any new preamps , source , room treatments , Tweaks ? |
You may have stated your playlist in the past , what are your go to tracks for demoing ? |
Makes sense if one tube just bit the dust , they have been affecting the sound in a negative way . A new pair of winged c's might out perform the still in operating condition stock tubes. |
Those Monitor Audio look impressive ! Bet they can move a lot of air . WC - Can you rank in order your favorite speakers , Of course the Neoliths are number one ! |
A picture tells a thousand words . Great to get the visual stimulation . Hope you will continue to add pictures as new gear comes in .
Have you ever tried a passive preamp WC ? If you have not you definitely need to try one . |