My Experience with Dave from Audio Doctor NJ


First off, let me say that I am a novice when it comes to digital music setups. I started this thread looking for advice on my next purchase:  https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/trying-to-decide-on-my-next-purchase/post?postid=1580061#1580...

I am considering buying a NAD 50.2.  I received a very helpful response from Dave at Audio Doctor in NJ.  Helpful, because it offered me what seems to be a better alternative, in my price range, the Innous Zenith.  I did some quick research and was impressed with what I read.  Anyone who can, please chime in on their experience with a  Innous Zenith MKII.

A couple of hours later I received a phone call from Dave.  We discussed many topics such as the pro's and con's of the NAD 50.2 versus the Innous Zenith, and things that I could do to improve my listening experience. He asked me why I chose to use a NAD 12/NAD 22 v2 with a pair of Tannoy 8 dcti speakers because they don't pair well, and he's right.  Some music sounds really awesome, but sometimes the highs are too bright and some transitions are too much "in your face."  

He recommended several speaker brands that would pair better with my setup, such as a pair of Legacy Focus SE offered by another dealer on agon, or Legacy Caliber speakers.  He also recommend tube amps or integrated amps that would pair well with my Tannoy speakers.  We spent about 30 minutes discussing other digital music considerations, leaving me with a lot of useful food for thought, as well as, helping me understand more of the complexities of building a good (enough) digital music system.   I truly appreciated his advice and desire to help me make an informed decision no matter what I purchase.  

Now, I wasn't born yesterday so I was a bit surprised that he recommended I reach out to another dealer regarding the Legacy speakers - even though he sells them.  I also appreciate that he did not try to sell me anything.  A lot of people sell the products/equipment I'm looking for - but caring customer service is hard to find.  I've yet to purchase anything from Audio Doctor, but they will definitely be on my short list when I finally decide.  
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Guys, digital is a strange beast and most folks just don't want to spend the time to ask the right questions or do it correctly.  There are some outstanding pieces of digital gear, but it may be the most important place in the system to have synergy.  I relate it to the tonearm/cart marriage.

I've spend way too much time with so many pieces of digital, filters, LPS units, Cables, cords and of course signal optical isolation.  There are some key places to look at and electrical is soooo important.  You must start with clean electric power. Even more so than with an amp for some reason.  Then you need to figure out what DAC you will ultimately be using and then the connection.  Some are optimized for USB and some for Etherrnet and some for.....  Even my Ayre, that Charlie himself said was optimized for all inputs sounded best in my system with the ethernet and then the BNC connections.  Small, but noticeable differences (I did love that DAC, especially for the price).  

The best main stream server I heard was the Aurender N10 (as well as the W20).  They just got things right and are so easy to use.  Most folks won't miss not having Room with it either.  The Innuos is a nice unit also as are many of the new servers coming out.  It's in it's infancy.  I ended up with a Memory Player and I've heard nothing on the market that comes close to it for any price.  I am in shock by the new DAC that they are making for it.  I have the prototype and it's already great.  Upside/downside to many top digital products.....support.  Smaller companies will be around as long as the designer/owners are.  That's important to many, but if you want the best digital sounds, so far it's a small group of companies that I've found who are the best adn give you the personal attention you need, but how long will they be able to?  

I know that the Memory Player folks (not to be confused with PS Audio who sells a Memory Player, but isn't the same company, lol) has a mini server that shares much of the tech with my reference unit and is a great value also.  I know a few guys who love that one too.  

it's impossible to audition so many of these units as they are factory direct, so this is why so many will stick to a dealer.  If through a dealer, I'd ask them how long they have carried the line.  I'd take a look at how often the company 'refreshes their models'.  Is it the same model that they have just kept upgrading over time (Aurender is like this I know as are a few others) or are their mk 2's and 3's and 4's every two years.  In digital, they should be able to do software updates to keep their products shelf lives at the 7 year range or so. They can do it in digital if they design it correctly to begin with.  Those were my criteria.  

There are a ton of great products and dealers to chose from, so go listen and use your ears.  Just make sure you use a great neutral cable and feed it the cleanest power you can afford.  I use the new AQ Niagara cleaner (sold my top end Synergistic Research) and the new Hurricane power cords as I have found them to bet the best in MY system IRT power. I borrowed MANY cords and none were close and that includes a few in the 8k plus range.  Oh, I didn't keep the optical isolation (although you can't go wrong with it) as I found the $130 EMO medical filter to be best for my ethernet feed, but you then need two ethernet cables, lol...was worth it for my Tidal streaming.
great post.  Thanks, I feel better about my own journey now, lol.  

Also, most run FLAC as it's easy and you get the art, but most top designers I know only use WAV and that's what I use.  I have about 1T of Flac now, but we will change it over to WAV.  
Great post and thanks for sharing.I feel better about myself now, lol.

Folks, so many use FLAC as it's easy and you get album art easier etc....  Try the same files in WAV.  Many designers will tell yo it's much better for SQ.  I feel the same way.  
Guys, I run AQ cabling throughout my system. I have the WEL TOTL balanced interconnects.  All power cords are Hurricane.  I own a Diamond USB cable which is very very good and underrated I feel.  I'm going to sell off the Niagara balanced and Water balanced as I don't use them anymore.  That said, I have found that the top Wireworld ethernet cables are DAMN good.  I've yet to audition any others that are better.  I also like the new Wire world optical cables  they use a better fiber than the others do that I've had in the system to try.  I use two, because of the EMO medical filter I use.  I also use a dedicated LPS for the cable router that is directly behind the rack.  It's made a substantial difference for the better.  my DAC is built into my Memory Player server right now, but we are going to take it out and make it a two box unit.  Then we will make a custom cable to connect it.  Not sure how they want to do that.  It's fun to be able to help them dial in their product, lol.  It's already special but will be great once we get hit all set up and figure out a few things.  So excited.

I'm going to be part of a new MS study and they will fly me to NIH in Bethesda a couple of times a year and I want to go to some of the stores down there.  I've been to a few in the past, but not in many years.

WAV....?????  Dpont' know why. No clue, but I play the same track in FLAC and then WAV and my wife can tell.  More relaxed and more micro detail.  Not huge by any means.  Just ask Steve Nugent who is Empirical Audio and makes one of the best DACS you can buy for around 13k I think.  I used to own his top DAC before this new one.  

Mark who designed Laufer Techniques says the same thing.  I have yet to play both for folks and not have them say they like WAV a bit better.  Remember, that this is in my system or systems I've heard 
I don't know if it would or not.  I just let folks do their thing and I listen, lol.  With the MS, I can't even move my speakers.  Have to use a neighbor or most of the time a fellow hi fi friend, lol.  Johnny Rutan at Audio Connection came over to set mine up and other than a small move to dial them in, I haven't done much.  He's very very good at setting up any speaker and was worth the price paid, lol....I live pretty far away and it's a fulllllll day for him.