Moving up the Harbeth line


I was fortunate to move my home office to another room which is a bit bigger than the previous one. Dimensions are 12x13 with almost 20-foot ceilings. As much as I love my Harbeth P3esr's, I can't help but notice that they've been outclassed by the bigger room, especially the high ceiling. This pair of speakers has been a mainstay in my home office/study for a number of years, and I find it to be a perfect fit for my listening habits and music preferences. But in the new setting, it's not able to fill the room as well as it used to. For examples, horns and piano now sound much smaller and distant. So that got me thinking of an upgrade. I have been using a Raven Audio Blackhawk MK3 for a few months and would want to stick with it if possible. There are very few speakers that have allowed me to make an emotional connection with the music, and Harbeth is certainly one of them. So my preference is to stay with the brand.

Now, before the 'search bar is your best friend' folks come swinging at me, I have read a few threads on similar topics but they all seem to be inconclusive, or at least I'm not able to decipher a reasonable consensus. Having spent way too much money on this addiction, err, hobby, in the last 12 months, I have to resort to buying used equipment only, and that too has to wait for at least 2-3 months. So, doing an in-house demo is going to be difficult if not impossible. And, AFAIK, there are no dealers nearby (Dallas area) either.

I would love to hear from people who have moved up the Harbeth food chain. The M30.x seems to be a logical next step, but I see an equal number of negative opinions (too polite, too boxy, pipe and slippers) as positive ones. Is there anyone who thinks that the M30 retains the same magic as the P3esr's but serves it in relatively bigger portions? Because that's what I'm mainly looking for to be honest -- a bigger version of P3esr. Or do you think the cons negate the pros offered by the bigger cabinet size?

Next up is SHL5+. Again, the opinions vary widely. Some are saying that this particular model deviates the most from the classic Harbeth sound. Another concern is that my room might be too small for them (?). Also, I cannot pull them more than one and a half feet from the front wall. Is that going to result in ugly bass problems?

I'm not against trying another brand, but would prefer an opinion that is based on an actual comparison with Harbeth speakers.
arafiq

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I just noticed the OP has settled with the M30.1. Great move! Placement in the room would be less trickier than the SHL5+.
A lot of good responses here which clearly show the members who posted have experience with Harbeth speakers.

I’ll keep it short and cut to the chase. I’m referring to the previous generation Harbeth line since I don’t have experience with the current new XD version. Firstly, if you find C7ES3 to have too much energy in the treble, I presume they sound bright to your ears. I would not dispute with that as everyone hears differently. If you find the C7ES3 to sound bright at the top, the SHL5+ will be even worse as it is leaner sounding and brighter in comparison to the warmer C7ES3. The M30.1 or M30.2 may be a better option for your listening preferences.

Secondly, SHL5+ will not sound good if placed close to the front wall in my experience. They have about 3’ clear space from the front wall in my room. 2.5’ is still acceptable but closer to 2’ the airiness is compromised and the sound is slightly congested in the middle. Side wall placement is not as critical as they can go nearer to the side walls with toe-in. They still need about 1.5’ to 2’ from the side wall though.

In summary, the SHL5+ can still work in the room but the real question is whether the sound is to your preference. The M30.1 might be a better fit for the room, size - wise. Personally I prefer the SHL5+ over M30.1 as I find it more balanced across various music genres. The M30 series sound too smooth and laid back for my tastes. In the end it depends on what you are seeking and the best is to hear all options and decide for yourself.
Glad to hear the M30.1s are a clear improvement over the P3ESR. All the differences that had been described mirrored my experience as well. The M30.1 has a monitor sound which is more controlled than the domestic models (P3ESR, C7ES3 and SHL5). It has a forward and dynamic presentation where the sound leaps out more from a silent background. The same experience when you hear everything pops out more. The other Harbeth play it safer with a smoother or flatter presentation.

Enjoy the M30.1. I do think it is an overall better speaker than the P3ESR although all Harbeth are great. You may need some time to acclimatize to the presentation of the 30.1 since it sounds quite different from the P3ESR as you currently experience. Listening fatigue may be slightly higher with the added dynamics of the 30.1 but it’s still very smooth at the top. In other words the treble doesn’t sound bright or shrill and the overall sound is still smooth, full and warm, not harsh.
Arafiq, the comprehensive and detailed account is surely useful. I’m glad the 30.1s have worked out well in your system, particularly with the Luxman L-590AXII. There’s nothing more for me to add here since you will be more familiar with the speakers when you spend more time with it.

My very brief experience with 30.1 vs 30.2 is the latter sounds more open and forward than the 30.1. However, there was an owner of the 30.1 who upgraded to the 30.2 and felt that listening fatigue was a bit too high with the 30.2.
SHL5+ is a much larger speaker than the 30.1 and will have a larger sound and fuller deeper bass. The sound will be slightly tame in the sense instruments and vocals do not pop out from the background as much as the 30.1. However, the SHL5+ is an airier, leaner or lighter sounding speaker(as opposed to warmer and fuller/thicker sound of 30.1) and will need more space from wall boundaries to sound good.

Lastly, the 30.1/30.2 that you have now is one of the best if not the best when it comes to reproducing human voice to sound as life-like or natural as possible. Even the SHL5+ can’t match the 30.1 in this respect. There are many high end speakers costing much more than the Harbeth that do vocals well but the Harbeth just have that extra edge or magic.

Enjoy ~

I presume 3 feet from side wall and 4 feet from front wall are clear space from wall to speaker cabinet? Placement does not seem to be an issue if there is ample space from the walls. Is distance between speakers in the range of 6 to 8 feet centre to centre?

Open frame stands do make a difference but the sound quality with stands which come with a top plate should not sound too shabby.
Arafiq, great news! Good to know the 18" stands brought a huge difference to the sound. It appears that you are torn between the M30.1 and SHL5+. What a nice problem to have.

Enjoy~