You will notice a decrease in sound quality.Please elaborate on this. You don't like the Denon or you prefer MM style carts?
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Nonsense! The Denon 103 mc's are true classics (and in production since 1962!). They are the best sounding cartridges under $500 of any type! My experience with the 103's goes back to 1977 when I heard one paired with a Levinson JC-1 headamp - mounted on a Denon 307 arm on a TOTL Denon DD TT. A FABULOUS sounding setup! And the price of the 103 then was $160! Today I own several of the series - 103, 103R, 103 Gold Anniversary. I find them eminently musical and satisfying!Everything I've researched indicates this. Really seems like a great deal and a good starting place to jump into MC carts. Thanks for the feedback! |
It's really impossible to offer you a meaningful suggestion without knowing more, such as what pickup arm and phono preamp you will be using with this cart.I am currently using the TCC TC-750 from phonopreamps.com and I have to say that I really don't have any complaints about it. For the money I couldn't ask for more. Noise floor is dead silent and I am getting incredible detail coming rom my records. That being said, I have never heard a true high-end phono-preamp so ignorance is bliss? Here is the rest of my set-up Mains: Vandersteen 2C Turntable: Technics SL1200 MKII (I got this brand new right before they ended production around 2010) Tone arm: Stock with the turntable from Technics Cartridge: Shure M97xe Preamp: Using an Onkyo TX-SR805 Amp: Behringer EP 2500 (This is a pro Amp, it provide loads of power - 1200 watts per channel with a giant toroidal transformer, but it was quite loud with the stock fan, so I did a fan mod, now it's as quiet as a mouse) If I upgrade to the Denon, I mighty start out with the MC phono section from the same site: https://www.phonopreamps.com/TC-760LCpp.html it says it competes with the NAD at the relative price point. Thanks for your feedback |
In my opinion you want to try the LOMC whithout even realised the potential of MM cartridges. But no problem, we're always looking for something new and different. If your budget is $300 you'd better forget about LOMC (imo), but if you have $1500-2000 you can try to find some nice LOMC.Point taken. So, in order to realize the true benefit of MC, much more needs to be spent on the cart to ensure adequate quality? And if this is not possible may not be worth the time and money on a lower-end set-up. My issue is that I do not have a lot of money to play with but I do want to fool around with MC. Tough pill to swallow. |
The output is too low to properly match with the phono input in your preamp. That’s why if I got the DL 103 I would get a proper phono preamp to deal with this. (This one has selectable impedance for LOMC and HOMC 20 ohm and 100 ohm respectively. I assume this would solve that problem? https://www.phonopreamps.com/TC-760LCpp.html https://www.phonopreamps.com/images/6LCSR.jpg |
I agree your next move should be to a good MM/MI cart. There will be a great improvement in SQ over your budget Shure cart.This is what I was fearing - That it just might not be possible to get better sound than what I currently have simply by swapping out a couple relatively inexpensive parts. My hope is that I could spend ~$300 (Denon DL-103 + TC-760) to take my next big leap in sound quality, but it might not be possible at my current budget (and from what I'm hearing could actually be worse). This saddens me. |
Thanks for the feedback guys. After all the input I think I may have been swayed into buying a better MM cart (than the Shure m97xe) rather than trying to find a cheap way of doing MC without overhauling the rest of my system. After doing some research I think that Cartridge man Music Maker III looks like a great long term goal (1k is just too much for a cart right now). Now I am looking at MM/MI carts in the 300-500 dollar range. On which one would be the best for me might be a crap shoot, since nothing is a stand-out based off of my research in that price range. So I ain't got the warm and fuzzies at this point (I do for the music maker though...sigh...) (alternatively everywhere I look between 3-5 hundred it is always the Denon DL-103R as the winner - but again, it's moving coil) Any clear stand-outs that I could buy NEW (I do not like the idea of used for a cart) as either an MM or MI you can think of? As for phono stage, I was looking at the emotiva, looks like impressive specs for only $200. Any thoughts on this? SN ratio is significantly better than what I have now: https://emotiva.com/products/xps-1 |
Nagaoka MP150 for $329.00. An MI that punches way above its weight and beats any MC in it's price range 3X.YES! exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! I've done some research this morning about this cart and seems like it a STEAL for the money. I believe I may go with this next unless anyone has some direct comparison between it and the Jico SAS N97xE replacement tip |
Let's not forget that the OP is dealing with a tonearm that is a medium to high mass arm, and he has an under $300 budget. In that regard, the 103D is an excellent fit. If he can stretch his budget a bit, a better expenditure IMO would be a slightly better pre-preamplifier.Yeah, been think about better preamps, as well. For $130 bucks, I've heard that the schitt mani may be a good bang for the buck, surely it's better than the TCC. |
The Denon DL103 along with the 103r are outstanding devices and perform well above there current cost. The DL-103, given the cost is a great way to explore MC on the cheap.Thanks for the support of dabbling in MC. I will definitely try it one day, (when funds permit) but at this point I have been persuaded to do an upgrade to a better MM cartridge. Right now it's neck and neck between a Nagaoka MP-150 or a JICO S.A.S replacement stylus for the Shure m97xE. This one supposedly has a unique tip that "reaches deeper into the groove" to pull out more groove info and be better in the higher frequencies, also sports a boron cantilever, which I am told is better than aluminum. The Jico SAS would be about 100 bucks less than the Nagaoka, so I might go this way first, but if anyone has any opinions between these, two, I would be happy to hear them. (also, opinions on the Schiit Mani, as well) |