jinjukuDouglas I have $2000 that says you can't hear the difference once your sighted Bias is removed as input to your evaluation.Sorry, but your creation of a rather suspect listening test hardly creates a "put up or shut up" scenario for contributors here. You are free to reject whatever you read here just as others are free to reject your notions as well.
I've now told you the circumstances which I'm willing to be proven wrong. What are yours.
This is simply put up or shut up time.
Most Important, Unloved Cable...
Ethernet. I used to say the power cord was the most unloved, but important cable. Now, I update that assessment to the Ethernet cable. Review work forthcoming.
I can't wait to invite my newer friend who is an engineer who was involved with the construction of Fermilab, the National Accelerator Lab, to hear this! Previously he was an overt mocker; no longer. He decided to try comparing cables and had his mind changed. That's not uncommon, as many of you former skeptics know. :)
I had my biggest doubts about the Ethernet cable. But, I was wrong - SO wrong! I'm so happy I made the decision years ago that I would try things rather than simply flip a coin mentally and decide without experience. It has made all the difference in quality of systems and my enjoyment of them. Reminder; I settled the matter of efficacy of cables years before becoming a reviewer and with my own money, so my enthusiasm for them does not spring from reviewing. Reviewing has allowed me to more fully explore their potential.
I find fascinating the cognitive dissonance that exists between the skeptical mind in regard to cables and the real world results which can be obtained with them. I'm still shaking my head at this result... profoundly unexpected results way beyond expectation. Anyone who would need an ABX for this should exit the hobby and take up gun shooting, because your hearing would be for crap.
I can't wait to invite my newer friend who is an engineer who was involved with the construction of Fermilab, the National Accelerator Lab, to hear this! Previously he was an overt mocker; no longer. He decided to try comparing cables and had his mind changed. That's not uncommon, as many of you former skeptics know. :)
I had my biggest doubts about the Ethernet cable. But, I was wrong - SO wrong! I'm so happy I made the decision years ago that I would try things rather than simply flip a coin mentally and decide without experience. It has made all the difference in quality of systems and my enjoyment of them. Reminder; I settled the matter of efficacy of cables years before becoming a reviewer and with my own money, so my enthusiasm for them does not spring from reviewing. Reviewing has allowed me to more fully explore their potential.
I find fascinating the cognitive dissonance that exists between the skeptical mind in regard to cables and the real world results which can be obtained with them. I'm still shaking my head at this result... profoundly unexpected results way beyond expectation. Anyone who would need an ABX for this should exit the hobby and take up gun shooting, because your hearing would be for crap.
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shadorne The silence of the evangelists in response to your $2000 challenge is absolutely deafening. Any rational person has to ask, "how real can these claimed audible effects be if the evangelists refuse to pocket easy money and dismiss the opportunity to prove their claims?"What's been proposed here by jinjuku isn't a scientifically valid test, but a 5:1 wager playing with a stacked deck. Proper protocols for valid listening tests are well-established, but they don't seem to suit jinjuku's apparent agenda. |
Let us discuss our Ethernet cable preferences helping the audio community we loveSorry, everyone is entitled to their preferences here. What’s "bonkers" is denying them that. You can’t impugn my method without totally wrecking your sighted evaluationI’ve never suggested a "sighted evaluation." I’ve suggested that if you seek a scientific test, you should follow established scientific protocols for conducting the test. Instead, you’ve proposed a convoluted "test" of your own design with multiple variables that isn’t scientific and isn’t double-blind. |
jinjuku I never said, or didn't say that the method is scientifically rigorousIf you're not interested in a scientifically valid test, then this exercise is really just a waste of time, imo. But it's fine if you're having fun with it - that's no problem. Just please don't assail what you call our lack of "intellectual integrity" because we're interested in a valid, repeatable test. |
jinjuku0 It’s not a double blind test.As I noted here pages and pages back, that’s exactly why the results of your test would not really be valid. I don’t think there’s much value for most audiophiles to conduct proper blind testing. But a test that doesn’t control bias has no value at all to anyone other than the actual listener himself. In any event, it's clear from the many recent deletions in this thread that if you seek to promote your test challenge, you'll have to find another place to do it. |
jinjuku The point behind the offer, and it's an honest offer, is to simply show that people don't have as much faith in their ears as they think they do or would like others to believe.Your offer was no offer at all, which is why the moderators have deleted every reference to it. The offer has proven nothing. My suggested evaluation rig closely mirrors the evaluation process that people use to come to the conclusion of SQNo, your proposal wasn't even close to a proper evaluation, because it didn't account for expectation bias by the listener, or the person conducting the "test." That is why it didn't represent a valid listening test. |
dynaquest409-17-2017 8:56pm Bunch of guys say the unloved Ethernet cable, if you purchase an expensive one, sounds way better ...l Couple other guys say not so ... Those couple guys challenge those other guys to a bet ... No one wants to accept the bet ...Please. It is a "bet." A ruse. A charade, a parlor trick at best, posted by an anonymous contributor offering a gmail account as a source for details of the "offer." Hence all of the deleted posts. Please. |
jinjukuI’m telling you it’s 100% delusion regardless of listener or system when I have two same constructed, both pass spec, Ethernet cablesYes, we get it, you've made that point a few times here. I’ll do this in your own system with the same class cable ...No, you won't. My house isn't child-proof, so you wouldn't be safe here. |